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> Citizenship comes with all sorts of obligations like getting drafted and serving on juries If you've already done those things, does the IRS pay you?

by Chris2048 5y ago

Retric 5y ago
Obligations don’t work that way, do you get paid for paying your debts? The personal benefit from the obligation to serve on juries is the option of being tried by a jury of your peers.
- Chris2048 5y ago
  You compare obligations to debt (which do have an upfront playout) but then state there is a benefit. How does that work with debt? Why would a jury of peers be a benefit, unless you assume positive bias? How does that work with the draft?
  - Retric 5y ago
    If you’re paying an electric bill the benefit associated with the debt was receiving electricity. How does that work with debt? For debt like a credit card bill it’s the money you spent when buying stuff etc. If you meant taxes then it’s government services already received, for example a strong military. Why would a jury of peers be a benefit, unless you assume positive bias? It’s an option, you don’t need to be tried by your peers so you would only pick it if it’s better than being judged by a judge. That doesn’t mean it’s a positive bias, you might assume judges have a negative bias. How does that work with the draft? Look at all the countries that have been invaded, compare them to countries that haven’t been. That’s the benefit of a strong military and the existence of the draft is part of that.
    - Chris2048 5y ago
      > it’s government services already received, for example a strong military but you no longer benefit from the military and other services abroad? > It’s an option, you don’t need to be tried by your peers but you are obligated to jury duty, to the extent you have to pay to leave? > Look at all the countries that have been invaded all all the ones that haven't? Doesn't seem like a draft is needed.

> Citizenship comes with all sorts of obligations like getting drafted and serving on juries If you've already done those things, does the IRS pay you?

Retric 5y ago

Obligations don’t work that way, do you get paid for paying your debts? The personal benefit from the obligation to serve on juries is the option of being tried by a jury of your peers.

Chris2048 5y ago
You compare obligations to debt (which do have an upfront playout) but then state there is a benefit. How does that work with debt? Why would a jury of peers be a benefit, unless you assume positive bias? How does that work with the draft?
- Retric 5y ago
  If you’re paying an electric bill the benefit associated with the debt was receiving electricity. How does that work with debt? For debt like a credit card bill it’s the money you spent when buying stuff etc. If you meant taxes then it’s government services already received, for example a strong military. Why would a jury of peers be a benefit, unless you assume positive bias? It’s an option, you don’t need to be tried by your peers so you would only pick it if it’s better than being judged by a judge. That doesn’t mean it’s a positive bias, you might assume judges have a negative bias. How does that work with the draft? Look at all the countries that have been invaded, compare them to countries that haven’t been. That’s the benefit of a strong military and the existence of the draft is part of that.
  - Chris2048 5y ago
    > it’s government services already received, for example a strong military but you no longer benefit from the military and other services abroad? > It’s an option, you don’t need to be tried by your peers but you are obligated to jury duty, to the extent you have to pay to leave? > Look at all the countries that have been invaded all all the ones that haven't? Doesn't seem like a draft is needed.