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For the doubters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_COVID-19_nursing_home_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_COVID-19_nursing_home... >In Jan

For the doubters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_COVID-19_nursing_home_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_COVID-19_nursing_home... >In January 2021, Attorney General of New York Letitia James released a report finding that Governor Andrew Cuomo had understated the toll of COVID-19-related deaths in state nursing homes by as much as 50 percent. The scandal was made public on February 11, 2021, when the New York Post reported that Melissa DeRosa, a secretary and aide to Cuomo, privately apologized to lawmakers for the administration withholding the nursing-home death toll in fear then-President Donald Trump would "turn this into a giant political football". >U.S. Attorney Seth DuCharme of the Eastern District of New York and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) have launched an investigation into New York state's handling of nursing home deaths.

tekknik 5y ago
> withholding the nursing-home death toll in fear then-President Donald Trump would "turn this into a giant political football". When will the left calm down and realize this isn’t a war?
- debacle 5y ago
  Conservative Trump voter here: Everyone who is watching the news thinks they're in a war with people who have slightly differing opinions than they do.
  - mooxie 5y ago
    Liberal Biden voter here: Totally. Everyone is absorbing media that spends 90% of its energy encouraging them to think that they're being attacked by the other half of the country. Both ends of the spectrum are encouraged to have a victim complex that makes them feel totally justified in their heinous behavior, because in their minds they're just defending themselves against the aggressor.
    - jfengel 5y ago
      It's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I consume no media directly, but I get exposed to the victim complexes quite thoroughly here on HN. And from that I do indeed get the impression that I'm under attack.
  - remarkEon 5y ago
    Not (necessarily) a Trump voter, but a conservative nonetheless. I think it's a little more complicated. There's a style of propaganda that seems uniquely tuned to how technology has changed the way we engage with news. It goes something like "this thing you are saying is happening isn't, but if it was it's actually good, and if it's actually bad you deserve it". This formulation absolutely drives engagement numbers across the political spectrum, regardless of the "truthiness" of any of the preceding claims. That particular progression just didn't happen when we all dutifully read our newspapers with our morning coffee because it takes a few cycles to formulate. A lot of conservatives I know just don't engage with news anymore because once you notice these kinds of rhetorical patterns you can't un-see them.
    - tekknik 5y ago
      > A lot of conservatives I know just don't engage with news anymore because once you notice these kinds of rhetorical patterns you can't un-see them. CNN and WaPo both engage in word association type brainwashing. Anything negative one republican does, they associate it with all to help build that unconscious bias. In other sentences they'll associate proud boys or other extremist groups with the republicans to help build that idea that all republicans are extremists. It's a big part of why there's a huge divide these days. And yes, it gets old and sickening.
- MattGaiser 5y ago
  When one side basically denies the virus exists, it kind of is.
  - kian 5y ago
    It only becomes a war when people are willing to do anything to “win”
  - goostavos 5y ago
    I don't think any serious person denies the existence of the virus. Even if you go to the ('ultra' far right?) patriots.win, you'll find very few COVID deniers. The bulk of the sentiment is about rejecting the government's response to the virus and being left alone to make their own choices (good or bad).
    - ericb 5y ago
      Oh no, it was called a "hoax" for a long time, people were claiming doctors were faking death certificates. Trump said Covid is "their new hoax.” People on facebook were saying covid would "disappear" after the election. Don't gaslight people. Some examples: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jason-rapert-coronavirus-hoax-face-mask-arkansas-asa-hutchinson-a9640156.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/congressman-elect-bob-good-calls-covid-19-pandemic-phony-and-mask-wearing-a-hoax/article_d7decb76-3e36-11eb-9d9e-fbd2deb547f5.html https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/congressman-elect-bob-g... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jason-rapert-coronavirus-hoax-face-mask-arkansas-asa-hutchinson-a9640156.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
      - jwond 5y ago
        Trump did not call COVID itself a hoax: https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-ap-fact-check-politics-joe-biden-1eea443cca46df5f18e61b7c34549da2 https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-ap-f...
      - 5y ago

tekknik 5y ago

> withholding the nursing-home death toll in fear then-President Donald Trump would "turn this into a giant political football". When will the left calm down and realize this isn’t a war?

debacle 5y ago
Conservative Trump voter here: Everyone who is watching the news thinks they're in a war with people who have slightly differing opinions than they do.
- mooxie 5y ago
  Liberal Biden voter here: Totally. Everyone is absorbing media that spends 90% of its energy encouraging them to think that they're being attacked by the other half of the country. Both ends of the spectrum are encouraged to have a victim complex that makes them feel totally justified in their heinous behavior, because in their minds they're just defending themselves against the aggressor.
  - jfengel 5y ago
    It's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I consume no media directly, but I get exposed to the victim complexes quite thoroughly here on HN. And from that I do indeed get the impression that I'm under attack.
- remarkEon 5y ago
  Not (necessarily) a Trump voter, but a conservative nonetheless. I think it's a little more complicated. There's a style of propaganda that seems uniquely tuned to how technology has changed the way we engage with news. It goes something like "this thing you are saying is happening isn't, but if it was it's actually good, and if it's actually bad you deserve it". This formulation absolutely drives engagement numbers across the political spectrum, regardless of the "truthiness" of any of the preceding claims. That particular progression just didn't happen when we all dutifully read our newspapers with our morning coffee because it takes a few cycles to formulate. A lot of conservatives I know just don't engage with news anymore because once you notice these kinds of rhetorical patterns you can't un-see them.
  - tekknik 5y ago
    > A lot of conservatives I know just don't engage with news anymore because once you notice these kinds of rhetorical patterns you can't un-see them. CNN and WaPo both engage in word association type brainwashing. Anything negative one republican does, they associate it with all to help build that unconscious bias. In other sentences they'll associate proud boys or other extremist groups with the republicans to help build that idea that all republicans are extremists. It's a big part of why there's a huge divide these days. And yes, it gets old and sickening.
MattGaiser 5y ago
When one side basically denies the virus exists, it kind of is.
- kian 5y ago
  It only becomes a war when people are willing to do anything to “win”
- goostavos 5y ago
  I don't think any serious person denies the existence of the virus. Even if you go to the ('ultra' far right?) patriots.win, you'll find very few COVID deniers. The bulk of the sentiment is about rejecting the government's response to the virus and being left alone to make their own choices (good or bad).
  - ericb 5y ago
    Oh no, it was called a "hoax" for a long time, people were claiming doctors were faking death certificates. Trump said Covid is "their new hoax.” People on facebook were saying covid would "disappear" after the election. Don't gaslight people. Some examples: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jason-rapert-coronavirus-hoax-face-mask-arkansas-asa-hutchinson-a9640156.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/congressman-elect-bob-good-calls-covid-19-pandemic-phony-and-mask-wearing-a-hoax/article_d7decb76-3e36-11eb-9d9e-fbd2deb547f5.html https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/congressman-elect-bob-g... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jason-rapert-coronavirus-hoax-face-mask-arkansas-asa-hutchinson-a9640156.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
    - jwond 5y ago
      Trump did not call COVID itself a hoax: https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-ap-fact-check-politics-joe-biden-1eea443cca46df5f18e61b7c34549da2 https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-ap-f...
    - 5y ago