> It's too black and white though. Yeah, agreed, but I think in 2005 this was just sort of the common way to write about security. It was a lot more hostile, a

> It's too black and white though. Yeah, agreed, but I think in 2005 this was just sort of the common way to write about security. It was a lot more hostile, a lot more brazen. I think it's because the industry was even worse back then than it is now, with even weaker goal posts. We're in a better position now to discuss nuance today.