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> Writing on Twitter, Preuss notes "If you double click the shift panel twice and accidentally engage the auto-pilot in Model 3, Tesla will automatically charge

> Writing on Twitter, Preuss notes "If you double click the shift panel twice and accidentally engage the auto-pilot in Model 3, Tesla will automatically charge you $14100 if you didn't previously purchase auto-pilot." This can't be right, what's next, your car is upgraded to a performance version when you press the acceleration pedal too hard?

yreg 5y ago
Yes, that's a straight lie. Autopilot is standard and free. FSD costs 10k, not 14k. It is not possible to buy FSD throught the car.
- orangepanda 5y ago
  There's a price breakdown in the article: * $3`000 Autopilot * $10`000 Self-Driving Capability * + Tax Author also said Tesla refunded it without a fuss, so they acknowledge accidental purchases are possible
  - mkl 5y ago
    I've seen ",", ".", " ", and "'" in natural languages, and "_" and "'" in programming languages, but where in the world are thousands separated by backticks?
    - dmurray 5y ago
      I'm going to guess Switzerland. (The linked answer specifies apostrophes rather than backticks, but IMO either is reasonable). https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/23667/is-using-a-comma-as-a-number-separator-a-cultural-thing https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/23667/is-using-a-comm...
      - mkl 5y ago
        Yes, I saw the Swiss apostrophes in the Wikipedia article that question links to (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Examples_of_use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Examples_of_...), but there are no backticks mentioned there (hence my question). The only times I've seen backticks or grave accents used in place of apostrophes, it's been done consistently (I'm guessing some keyboard layouts don't have apostrophes?), while orangepanda used an apostrophe too, as if the backticks were a deliberate choice.
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  - ex3ndr 5y ago
    Autopilot is built in on every Tesla Model 3 and enabled ty double gear shift press.
- pmorici 5y ago
  It wasn’t always standard some cars came without it before they made the standard range+ the base model. The part about it being purchased by just pulling the shifter is a lie though you can only buy these up grades from a menu in the Tesla app.
TimSchumann 5y ago
I believe all of the hardware is installed in every model 3 by default, allowing the ‘full self driving’ upgrade to be sold at the flip of a switch. IIRC this is true of the Model 3 and the Model Y, and possibly certain generations onwards of the S and X — though I’m less sure about those two.
- johnnyApplePRNG 5y ago
  This sounds like the scammy computer sales company I worked for as a teenager. We charged $120 to upgrade to a black tower and monitor (white towers and monitors were so last year at the time), but surprise surprise... if you didn't pay for the upgrade, we gave you a black tower and monitor anyways as a "gift to you". All of our computers were always black.
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- FartyMcFarter 5y ago
  The real problem is that "full self driving" doesn't exist (and isn't even close to existing), but they're selling it.
  - stavros 5y ago
    * For small values of "full".
- paulcole 5y ago
  What I don’t get is until “full self driving” is available, how can we know what hardware is needed to achieve it?
  - eterevsky 5y ago
    They might be thinking as follows: a human can self-drive a car. If we give the car enough sensors to get all the sensory data that a human driver gets, then implementing self-driving is just a matter of software.
jankotek 5y ago
$10 nozzle repair requires new battery pack for $16,000. Call it what you want, but that is not green car.
stavros 5y ago
Just wait for the "Full Self-Full-Self-Driving" version that buys FSD for you when it detects you're getting bored at the wheel.
pmorici 5y ago
I’m pretty sure this guy is lying. The only way to purchase these upgrades if they didn’t come with your car is through the Tesla phone app or website. You literally can’t do it using the shifter as claimed.
- yreg 5y ago
  Funny how we are both downvoted without anyone disputing what we say.
crispyambulance 5y ago
> This can't be right [...] Yeah, I agree. As much as I hate EULA's and "Are you sure?" confirmation dialogs, THIS is a scenario where that's probably a good idea. OTOH, the customer might have gotten those, but was just conditioned to "click-through" them like anything else? Maybe he didn't even perceive them, it happens!
- xkjkls 5y ago
  For every purchase over a certain price this should probably be legally mandated. The same thing happened to a number of parents who had kids spend $1000s on the app store before they became more aggressive with deciding with how things can be purchased.
xkjkls 5y ago
vrrooom vrrooom, "that'll be $3000, sir"

yreg 5y ago

Yes, that's a straight lie. Autopilot is standard and free. FSD costs 10k, not 14k. It is not possible to buy FSD throught the car.

orangepanda 5y ago
There's a price breakdown in the article: * $3`000 Autopilot * $10`000 Self-Driving Capability * + Tax Author also said Tesla refunded it without a fuss, so they acknowledge accidental purchases are possible
- mkl 5y ago
  I've seen ",", ".", " ", and "'" in natural languages, and "_" and "'" in programming languages, but where in the world are thousands separated by backticks?
  - dmurray 5y ago
    I'm going to guess Switzerland. (The linked answer specifies apostrophes rather than backticks, but IMO either is reasonable). https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/23667/is-using-a-comma-as-a-number-separator-a-cultural-thing https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/23667/is-using-a-comm...
    - mkl 5y ago
      Yes, I saw the Swiss apostrophes in the Wikipedia article that question links to (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Examples_of_use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Examples_of_...), but there are no backticks mentioned there (hence my question). The only times I've seen backticks or grave accents used in place of apostrophes, it's been done consistently (I'm guessing some keyboard layouts don't have apostrophes?), while orangepanda used an apostrophe too, as if the backticks were a deliberate choice.
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- ex3ndr 5y ago
  Autopilot is built in on every Tesla Model 3 and enabled ty double gear shift press.
pmorici 5y ago
It wasn’t always standard some cars came without it before they made the standard range+ the base model. The part about it being purchased by just pulling the shifter is a lie though you can only buy these up grades from a menu in the Tesla app.

TimSchumann 5y ago

I believe all of the hardware is installed in every model 3 by default, allowing the ‘full self driving’ upgrade to be sold at the flip of a switch. IIRC this is true of the Model 3 and the Model Y, and possibly certain generations onwards of the S and X — though I’m less sure about those two.

johnnyApplePRNG 5y ago
This sounds like the scammy computer sales company I worked for as a teenager. We charged $120 to upgrade to a black tower and monitor (white towers and monitors were so last year at the time), but surprise surprise... if you didn't pay for the upgrade, we gave you a black tower and monitor anyways as a "gift to you". All of our computers were always black.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
FartyMcFarter 5y ago
The real problem is that "full self driving" doesn't exist (and isn't even close to existing), but they're selling it.
- stavros 5y ago
  * For small values of "full".
paulcole 5y ago
What I don’t get is until “full self driving” is available, how can we know what hardware is needed to achieve it?
- eterevsky 5y ago
  They might be thinking as follows: a human can self-drive a car. If we give the car enough sensors to get all the sensory data that a human driver gets, then implementing self-driving is just a matter of software.

jankotek 5y ago

$10 nozzle repair requires new battery pack for $16,000. Call it what you want, but that is not green car.

stavros 5y ago

Just wait for the "Full Self-Full-Self-Driving" version that buys FSD for you when it detects you're getting bored at the wheel.

pmorici 5y ago

I’m pretty sure this guy is lying. The only way to purchase these upgrades if they didn’t come with your car is through the Tesla phone app or website. You literally can’t do it using the shifter as claimed.

yreg 5y ago
Funny how we are both downvoted without anyone disputing what we say.

crispyambulance 5y ago

> This can't be right [...] Yeah, I agree. As much as I hate EULA's and "Are you sure?" confirmation dialogs, THIS is a scenario where that's probably a good idea. OTOH, the customer might have gotten those, but was just conditioned to "click-through" them like anything else? Maybe he didn't even perceive them, it happens!

xkjkls 5y ago
For every purchase over a certain price this should probably be legally mandated. The same thing happened to a number of parents who had kids spend $1000s on the app store before they became more aggressive with deciding with how things can be purchased.

xkjkls 5y ago

vrrooom vrrooom, "that'll be $3000, sir"