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That's not surprising, is it? Quarantines are officially imposed by the local health authority and infractions of the law (might be [0]) can be punished with a

That's not surprising, is it? Quarantines are officially imposed by the local health authority and infractions of the law (might be [0]) can be punished with a fine or even imprisonment. I mean it's not that different from an house arrest, I would say. If someone is under house arrest and ignores it, he will certainly not be trusted next time but sent to prison instead. [0] https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ifsg/__30.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ifsg/__30.html

belter 5y ago
It is VERY surprising. We are talking about Europe not the US. We are not in a Hollywood scenario with killer zombies roaming the streets to take out your blood. To put this in perspective, you are talking about a country where incarceration is used rarely and only a percentage of convicted offenders are sentenced to prison, in Germany approximately only six percent. In most cases, even for relatively serious crimes such as burglary, aggravated assault, or other crimes there are no custodial sentences. You would not apply community service, compensation, driving restrictions, mediation, forfeiture, or confiscation of assets, fines, suspended sentences, or community service before sending Grandma Ingrid to prison? What is next? Forced labor for not being vaccinated?
- _Microft 5y ago
  If there is one thing that you should know about Germany, then it is that we do not take flouting the rules lightly (which is incidentally a thing that Mr. Musk seems to be keen on learning the hard way btw;). You see that in effect here (escalated measures after the easy ones (asking to quarantine) did not work). Keep in mind that the health authority ordering a quarantine is not an appeal or something like that. They have got the authority to do so by law. People that do not comply chose to break the law. The ones that might be most likely to flout the rules are our resident contrarians, I guess. They call themselves "Querdenker" ("lateral thinkers", suggesting that they think/know differently) and are a motley crew of contrarians, Nazis and conspiracy theorists. I guess they are the ones that might actually run into these problems here.
  - belter 5y ago
    Lived in Germany for 4 years quite well versed on the local customs :-) Its about adjusting the punishment to the crime. So you are still sticking to the opinion, that you will put in detention a lateral thinker ...While a bank robber (with violence ) will be painting the community center ? Edit: Although its a completely different matter...As you mentioned in Germany you dont take lightly on people flouting the rules, I cannot resist asking. Did anybody got detention yet as outcome of the Wirecard scandal ? https://youtu.be/XUofgnbcbCw https://youtu.be/XUofgnbcbCw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirecard_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirecard_scandal
    - _Microft 5y ago
      > So you are still sticking to the opinion, that you will put in detention a lateral thinker ...While a bank robber (with violence ) will be painting the community center ? I've never held the opinion that lateral thinkers should be put into detention. I hold the opinion that repeat offenders should have to deal with increasingly harsh punishment. All I think about "Querdenker"s is that these people are more likely to run afoul the rules and are more likely to end up in such a situation.
- zaarn 5y ago
  If you ignored a court order or fine, you'd also be sent to prison in Germany (Erzwingungshaft). A quarantine order from the local health office is no less official and binding than that. In both cases, it's fairly limited, usually to less than 3 months at absolute maximum, the quarantine deniers will probably sit there for 2 weeks.

belter 5y ago

It is VERY surprising. We are talking about Europe not the US. We are not in a Hollywood scenario with killer zombies roaming the streets to take out your blood. To put this in perspective, you are talking about a country where incarceration is used rarely and only a percentage of convicted offenders are sentenced to prison, in Germany approximately only six percent. In most cases, even for relatively serious crimes such as burglary, aggravated assault, or other crimes there are no custodial sentences. You would not apply community service, compensation, driving restrictions, mediation, forfeiture, or confiscation of assets, fines, suspended sentences, or community service before sending Grandma Ingrid to prison? What is next? Forced labor for not being vaccinated?

_Microft 5y ago
If there is one thing that you should know about Germany, then it is that we do not take flouting the rules lightly (which is incidentally a thing that Mr. Musk seems to be keen on learning the hard way btw;). You see that in effect here (escalated measures after the easy ones (asking to quarantine) did not work). Keep in mind that the health authority ordering a quarantine is not an appeal or something like that. They have got the authority to do so by law. People that do not comply chose to break the law. The ones that might be most likely to flout the rules are our resident contrarians, I guess. They call themselves "Querdenker" ("lateral thinkers", suggesting that they think/know differently) and are a motley crew of contrarians, Nazis and conspiracy theorists. I guess they are the ones that might actually run into these problems here.
- belter 5y ago
  Lived in Germany for 4 years quite well versed on the local customs :-) Its about adjusting the punishment to the crime. So you are still sticking to the opinion, that you will put in detention a lateral thinker ...While a bank robber (with violence ) will be painting the community center ? Edit: Although its a completely different matter...As you mentioned in Germany you dont take lightly on people flouting the rules, I cannot resist asking. Did anybody got detention yet as outcome of the Wirecard scandal ? https://youtu.be/XUofgnbcbCw https://youtu.be/XUofgnbcbCw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirecard_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirecard_scandal
  - _Microft 5y ago
    > So you are still sticking to the opinion, that you will put in detention a lateral thinker ...While a bank robber (with violence ) will be painting the community center ? I've never held the opinion that lateral thinkers should be put into detention. I hold the opinion that repeat offenders should have to deal with increasingly harsh punishment. All I think about "Querdenker"s is that these people are more likely to run afoul the rules and are more likely to end up in such a situation.
zaarn 5y ago
If you ignored a court order or fine, you'd also be sent to prison in Germany (Erzwingungshaft). A quarantine order from the local health office is no less official and binding than that. In both cases, it's fairly limited, usually to less than 3 months at absolute maximum, the quarantine deniers will probably sit there for 2 weeks.