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We also saw the police query "check-in" databases which were pitched to the public as "for contact-tracing purposes only". Scope creep is inevitable.

sharken 5y ago
Do you have sources for this ?
- sdoering 5y ago
  See my answer to your sister comment from @optimiz3 In Germany police requested contact tracing lists from restaurants in investigations.
  - sharken 5y ago
    Thank you, it clearly shows that the German government cannot be trusted to do the right thing. And the underlying desire for having this information will no doubt prolong the Corona restrictions longer than necessary, which is certainly not in the interest of German citizens.
    - antpol 5y ago
      > German government cannot be trusted to do the right thing Oh dear, one thing we could definitely state that German government is absolutely could be trusted to do the right thing
- endgame 5y ago
  Australia, WA, check-in data: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-15/safewa-app-sparks-urgent-law-change-after-police-access-data/100201340 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-15/safewa-app-sparks-urg... Australia, WA, border pass data: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/g2g-app-data-accessed-for-investigations-as-well-wa-police-admit/100222804 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/g2g-app-data-accessed... Australia, VIC, check-in data: https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/police-sought-access-to-qr-check-in-data-intended-for-contact-tracing-20210621-p582x4.html https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/police-sought-ac... Australia, QLD, check-in data: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/queensland-coronavirus-check-in-app-police-data-search/100249624 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/queensland-coronaviru...
optimiz3 5y ago
Source? Most of these systems didn't disclose location.
- sdoering 5y ago
  In Germany police went around and even looked at contact tracing lists (on paper) in restaurants [1]. Even while politicians still stated publicly that these lists were only used (or to be used) for contact tracing. [1]: https://www.golem.de/news/hamburg-polizei-nutzt-corona-kontaktlisten-nach-straftat-2007-149482.html https://www.golem.de/news/hamburg-polizei-nutzt-corona-konta... Also the partly state sponsored luca app (check in in locations, festivals, restaurants, concerts) that is privately developed (and riddled with security holes) is already in discussion to use the data on the people to better target them for concert tickets and the like [2]. [2]: https://www.ccc.de/de/updates/2021/luca-app-ccc-fordert-bundesnotbremse https://www.ccc.de/de/updates/2021/luca-app-ccc-fordert-bund... So we see this data is already in abuse by the state and also by state sponsored private entities. I believe, that this data, once collected, will only be (ab)used further in the future. In my experience it will be as with all data caches - somebody wants to create additional value from it.
- nonlocutor 5y ago
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-15/safewa-app-sparks-urgent-law-change-after-police-access-data/100201340 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-15/safewa-app-sparks-urg...
- ValentineC 5y ago
  Singapore: https://fortune.com/2021/02/01/singapore-covid-data-tracetogether-use-law-criminal/ https://fortune.com/2021/02/01/singapore-covid-data-tracetog... https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/police-can-access-tracetogether-data-only-through-person-involved-in-criminal https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/police-can-a... https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/proposed-restrictions-to-safeguard-personal-contact-tracing-data-will-override-all-other https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/proposed-restrictions... https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/bill-limiting-use-of-tracetogether-for-serious-crimes-passed-with-govt-assurances https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/bill-limitin... (Note that one mostly-united political party controls 89.2% of Singapore's legislature seats, and can pass any laws or amend its constitution to their liking.)

sharken 5y ago

Do you have sources for this ?

sdoering 5y ago
See my answer to your sister comment from @optimiz3 In Germany police requested contact tracing lists from restaurants in investigations.
- sharken 5y ago
  Thank you, it clearly shows that the German government cannot be trusted to do the right thing. And the underlying desire for having this information will no doubt prolong the Corona restrictions longer than necessary, which is certainly not in the interest of German citizens.
  - antpol 5y ago
    > German government cannot be trusted to do the right thing Oh dear, one thing we could definitely state that German government is absolutely could be trusted to do the right thing
endgame 5y ago
Australia, WA, check-in data: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-15/safewa-app-sparks-urgent-law-change-after-police-access-data/100201340 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-15/safewa-app-sparks-urg... Australia, WA, border pass data: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/g2g-app-data-accessed-for-investigations-as-well-wa-police-admit/100222804 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/g2g-app-data-accessed... Australia, VIC, check-in data: https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/police-sought-access-to-qr-check-in-data-intended-for-contact-tracing-20210621-p582x4.html https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/police-sought-ac... Australia, QLD, check-in data: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/queensland-coronavirus-check-in-app-police-data-search/100249624 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/queensland-coronaviru...

optimiz3 5y ago

Source? Most of these systems didn't disclose location.

sdoering 5y ago
In Germany police went around and even looked at contact tracing lists (on paper) in restaurants [1]. Even while politicians still stated publicly that these lists were only used (or to be used) for contact tracing. [1]: https://www.golem.de/news/hamburg-polizei-nutzt-corona-kontaktlisten-nach-straftat-2007-149482.html https://www.golem.de/news/hamburg-polizei-nutzt-corona-konta... Also the partly state sponsored luca app (check in in locations, festivals, restaurants, concerts) that is privately developed (and riddled with security holes) is already in discussion to use the data on the people to better target them for concert tickets and the like [2]. [2]: https://www.ccc.de/de/updates/2021/luca-app-ccc-fordert-bundesnotbremse https://www.ccc.de/de/updates/2021/luca-app-ccc-fordert-bund... So we see this data is already in abuse by the state and also by state sponsored private entities. I believe, that this data, once collected, will only be (ab)used further in the future. In my experience it will be as with all data caches - somebody wants to create additional value from it.
nonlocutor 5y ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-15/safewa-app-sparks-urgent-law-change-after-police-access-data/100201340 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-15/safewa-app-sparks-urg...
ValentineC 5y ago
Singapore: https://fortune.com/2021/02/01/singapore-covid-data-tracetogether-use-law-criminal/ https://fortune.com/2021/02/01/singapore-covid-data-tracetog... https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/police-can-access-tracetogether-data-only-through-person-involved-in-criminal https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/police-can-a... https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/proposed-restrictions-to-safeguard-personal-contact-tracing-data-will-override-all-other https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/proposed-restrictions... https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/bill-limiting-use-of-tracetogether-for-serious-crimes-passed-with-govt-assurances https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/bill-limitin... (Note that one mostly-united political party controls 89.2% of Singapore's legislature seats, and can pass any laws or amend its constitution to their liking.)