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This reminds me of vegan bacon. If you dont want to eat meat, why try and replicate the taste, texture and sensation of eating meat? If you dont want to use m

This reminds me of vegan bacon. If you dont want to eat meat, why try and replicate the taste, texture and sensation of eating meat? If you dont want to use macOS, why try and replicate the taste, texture and sensation of using macOS?

Accacin 5y ago
I am not vegan because I do not like meat, I am vegan because I think that it bad for the environment and causes unnecessary suffering to animals. The fact that I could enjoy meat without any of those downsides is appealing to me :)
- rimliu 5y ago
  Change your thinking and you will be able to enjoy it again.
animal_spirits 5y ago
macOS comes with the cost of an expensive computer, this is a free OS that mimics a well designed one.
gouggoug 5y ago
You can have the desire to not eat meat, yet, love the taste, texture and sensation of it. These things aren't incompatible.
- Trufa 5y ago
  I know it's kind of offtopic, but having gone vegetarian around 2 years ago, it's amazing how many times I heard this argument presented in the way you SHOULD NOT want to replicate meat, you can't call that a burger if it doesn't have meat, I'm not one to get offended but I find it so weird. To this first one I have 2 points, 1. don't tell me what I want and don't want to do and 2. don't tell me what I want and don't want to do. For the second point, when did you become a burger defender. Before being vegetarian I've always heard how annoying are vegans trying to convince you bla bla bla, while I know it's circumstantial, I've almost never had that experience, but when I stopped eating meat, I've had dozens of people tell me I'm wrong, doing harm, it's stupid, pointless and that I should reconsider my personal dietary choices.
  - chipotle_coyote 5y ago
    I'm not a vegan -- or vegetarian -- but I've noticed that, too: I see lots of people complaining about pushy smug vegans always being pushy and smug at them, but see very few vegans being actively pushy and smug. One kind of suspects that it's simply letting people know that you're vegan that they're reacting negatively to. The smug pushy vegan is the one in their head. Personally, I like a fair number of the "plant-based meats" that are out there. When I cook vegetarian I'm often interested in finding ways to get a satisfying taste without using a meat substitute, but that's because, well, I find it interesting. If I want a burger, I want a burger, and this whole "you can't name it after a thing that traditionally comes from animals if it doesn't come from an animal" nonsense is nonsense. (And, as a long-time Mac user, I'm not sure it's entirely off-topic, as for many years I saw lots of people complaining about pushy smug Mac users always being pushy and smug at them, but saw very few Mac users actively being pushy and smug. It was pretty clear that just mentioning "oh, I use a Mac" was enough to set people off. The smug pushy Mac user was the one in their head.)
theonemind 5y ago
The obvious answer, of course, is that you do want to eat meat and run macOS for some reasons, but don't want to for other reasons, so I'm not sure what you really mean. Should we forget the good parts of things with bad aspects and not chase facsimiles, or embrace the bad aspects of things with good parts..? Neither one really makes sense to me; fake meat and fake macOS make sense to me, though I eat meat and use macOS. Or perhaps just that we should find substitutes that don't attempt mimicry.
fny 5y ago
Simple. Meat is delicious, but for some it comes with ethical issues. If you they replicate the taste (or sufficiently delude yourself), they can enjoy "meat" once again and sleep at night.
mike_hock 5y ago
Or like Lesbians using a strap-on ...
klemcijada 5y ago
You want the taste you are used to but don't want to increase demand for animal abuse.
factorialboy 5y ago
Here is a reason: Mac OS telemetry is just as bad as Windows. Few months ago app launches on Mac OS slowed down because the service that received the "app launch event" degraded. /Facepalm It's awful how very few in the tech community challenge Apple for their false privacy claims. /Happy and productive onna Linux desktop
1_player 5y ago
Did you really have to sidetrack and bait a technical conversation by mentioning vegan bacon? Enjoy the off topic comment chain.
bayesian_horse 5y ago
I agree. It doesn't make particular sense. Even if you aren't a complete fanatic about MacOs UI, you wouldn't choose FreeBSD as a base, but rather Linux, which has a lot of advantages for the average user, I'd say.
- garciasn 5y ago
  Let’s not forget that projects like this are cool and we should support developers who are biting off a ton.
- trasz 5y ago
  Can you give some examples for those advantages? Also, note they because FreeBSD is orders of magnitude less bloated and organizationally convoluted, it’s easier to implement functionality you need.
  - bayesian_horse 5y ago
    FreeBSD has also some advantages. The major disadvantage I see is that there is less adoption, thus less possibility to get help with the various issues endusers do face. If you're not an average endusers, and you don't need to support average endusers with all their gazillion hardware and software needs, that's not an issue, of course.
fredsir 5y ago
> This reminds me of vegan bacon. > If you dont want to eat meat, why try and replicate the taste, texture and sensation of eating meat? What is this taste, texture, and sensation of meat in regards to bacon you're talking about? Bacon is the opposite of the actual taste, texture, and sensation of meat. It's cooked, salted, and processed to give it that taste, texture, and sensation. It's the same with people making fun of plant-based burgers and sausages. Well, guess what, burgers and sausages don't exist in nature, neither as meat nor plant. Well, actually... Cucumbers and a few other plants seem quite like sausages. Anyways. The burger, sausage, and bacon form factor is what makes it attractive. It's why people have liked it for so long, and why people like it still when they switch to a plant-based diet. I guess it's the same reason why some people are into Airyx OS.
endofreach 5y ago
If you don‘t want to rape people, why try and have sex at all? And even more absurd to use this kind of argument in the software world. Imagine back then... „If you don‘t like Unix, why...“, or the first GUI implementations on Linux trying to achieve what apple or microsoft did... Oh well, what our hacker world would be like if more people thought that way... Sorry, not trying to offend, but these projects are what I live for. „Stickin‘ it to the big guys“ - after all, we are hackers, aren‘t we?
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
> If you dont want to eat meat, why try and replicate the taste, texture and sensation of eating meat? Because the taste and texture of meat are pretty great, it's just that whole "raising and killing a sentient being" thing that's the problem. The argument for something like Airyx is pretty similar: there are things to like about MacOS and things to not like about it, and it'd be great to get an alternative that has fewer negatives.
wraptile 5y ago
because Macbooks aren't great machines: - expensive. - unergonomic. - locked in. I need macbook for work but I use Linux personally. Would be great if I could have native toolset on both. Also there are hundreds of perfectly valid reasons to not want to support or deal with Apple.

Accacin 5y ago

I am not vegan because I do not like meat, I am vegan because I think that it bad for the environment and causes unnecessary suffering to animals. The fact that I could enjoy meat without any of those downsides is appealing to me :)

rimliu 5y ago
Change your thinking and you will be able to enjoy it again.

animal_spirits 5y ago

macOS comes with the cost of an expensive computer, this is a free OS that mimics a well designed one.

gouggoug 5y ago

You can have the desire to not eat meat, yet, love the taste, texture and sensation of it. These things aren't incompatible.

Trufa 5y ago
I know it's kind of offtopic, but having gone vegetarian around 2 years ago, it's amazing how many times I heard this argument presented in the way you SHOULD NOT want to replicate meat, you can't call that a burger if it doesn't have meat, I'm not one to get offended but I find it so weird. To this first one I have 2 points, 1. don't tell me what I want and don't want to do and 2. don't tell me what I want and don't want to do. For the second point, when did you become a burger defender. Before being vegetarian I've always heard how annoying are vegans trying to convince you bla bla bla, while I know it's circumstantial, I've almost never had that experience, but when I stopped eating meat, I've had dozens of people tell me I'm wrong, doing harm, it's stupid, pointless and that I should reconsider my personal dietary choices.
- chipotle_coyote 5y ago
  I'm not a vegan -- or vegetarian -- but I've noticed that, too: I see lots of people complaining about pushy smug vegans always being pushy and smug at them, but see very few vegans being actively pushy and smug. One kind of suspects that it's simply letting people know that you're vegan that they're reacting negatively to. The smug pushy vegan is the one in their head. Personally, I like a fair number of the "plant-based meats" that are out there. When I cook vegetarian I'm often interested in finding ways to get a satisfying taste without using a meat substitute, but that's because, well, I find it interesting. If I want a burger, I want a burger, and this whole "you can't name it after a thing that traditionally comes from animals if it doesn't come from an animal" nonsense is nonsense. (And, as a long-time Mac user, I'm not sure it's entirely off-topic, as for many years I saw lots of people complaining about pushy smug Mac users always being pushy and smug at them, but saw very few Mac users actively being pushy and smug. It was pretty clear that just mentioning "oh, I use a Mac" was enough to set people off. The smug pushy Mac user was the one in their head.)

theonemind 5y ago

The obvious answer, of course, is that you do want to eat meat and run macOS for some reasons, but don't want to for other reasons, so I'm not sure what you really mean. Should we forget the good parts of things with bad aspects and not chase facsimiles, or embrace the bad aspects of things with good parts..? Neither one really makes sense to me; fake meat and fake macOS make sense to me, though I eat meat and use macOS. Or perhaps just that we should find substitutes that don't attempt mimicry.

fny 5y ago

Simple. Meat is delicious, but for some it comes with ethical issues. If you they replicate the taste (or sufficiently delude yourself), they can enjoy "meat" once again and sleep at night.

mike_hock 5y ago

Or like Lesbians using a strap-on ...

klemcijada 5y ago

You want the taste you are used to but don't want to increase demand for animal abuse.

factorialboy 5y ago

Here is a reason: Mac OS telemetry is just as bad as Windows. Few months ago app launches on Mac OS slowed down because the service that received the "app launch event" degraded. /Facepalm It's awful how very few in the tech community challenge Apple for their false privacy claims. /Happy and productive onna Linux desktop

1_player 5y ago

Did you really have to sidetrack and bait a technical conversation by mentioning vegan bacon? Enjoy the off topic comment chain.

bayesian_horse 5y ago

I agree. It doesn't make particular sense. Even if you aren't a complete fanatic about MacOs UI, you wouldn't choose FreeBSD as a base, but rather Linux, which has a lot of advantages for the average user, I'd say.

garciasn 5y ago
Let’s not forget that projects like this are cool and we should support developers who are biting off a ton.
trasz 5y ago
Can you give some examples for those advantages? Also, note they because FreeBSD is orders of magnitude less bloated and organizationally convoluted, it’s easier to implement functionality you need.
- bayesian_horse 5y ago
  FreeBSD has also some advantages. The major disadvantage I see is that there is less adoption, thus less possibility to get help with the various issues endusers do face. If you're not an average endusers, and you don't need to support average endusers with all their gazillion hardware and software needs, that's not an issue, of course.

fredsir 5y ago

> This reminds me of vegan bacon. > If you dont want to eat meat, why try and replicate the taste, texture and sensation of eating meat? What is this taste, texture, and sensation of meat in regards to bacon you're talking about? Bacon is the opposite of the actual taste, texture, and sensation of meat. It's cooked, salted, and processed to give it that taste, texture, and sensation. It's the same with people making fun of plant-based burgers and sausages. Well, guess what, burgers and sausages don't exist in nature, neither as meat nor plant. Well, actually... Cucumbers and a few other plants seem quite like sausages. Anyways. The burger, sausage, and bacon form factor is what makes it attractive. It's why people have liked it for so long, and why people like it still when they switch to a plant-based diet. I guess it's the same reason why some people are into Airyx OS.

endofreach 5y ago

If you don‘t want to rape people, why try and have sex at all? And even more absurd to use this kind of argument in the software world. Imagine back then... „If you don‘t like Unix, why...“, or the first GUI implementations on Linux trying to achieve what apple or microsoft did... Oh well, what our hacker world would be like if more people thought that way... Sorry, not trying to offend, but these projects are what I live for. „Stickin‘ it to the big guys“ - after all, we are hackers, aren‘t we?

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

> If you dont want to eat meat, why try and replicate the taste, texture and sensation of eating meat? Because the taste and texture of meat are pretty great, it's just that whole "raising and killing a sentient being" thing that's the problem. The argument for something like Airyx is pretty similar: there are things to like about MacOS and things to not like about it, and it'd be great to get an alternative that has fewer negatives.

wraptile 5y ago

because Macbooks aren't great machines: - expensive. - unergonomic. - locked in. I need macbook for work but I use Linux personally. Would be great if I could have native toolset on both. Also there are hundreds of perfectly valid reasons to not want to support or deal with Apple.