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You were vaccinated as a child and you're presumably perfectly fine. And it's not about you. It's about not being selfish to end a pandemic that affects other p

You were vaccinated as a child and you're presumably perfectly fine. And it's not about you. It's about not being selfish to end a pandemic that affects other people a lot worse than it does you.

desine 5y ago
We allow parents to make decisions for children up to a certain age. I'm definitely not arguing that. It is about me. A population is made up of individual people. Those individual people have rights. Given a choice of a population of X size who surrender the rights to govern their body, vs a population of free willed humans of (X - (00.03 * X)), I would gladly take the latter, including as a casualty. Humanity under authoritarianism is never morally acceptable, regardless of how benevolent my dictator appears to be.
- nl 5y ago
  This is an argument against tyranny, but it isn't an argument against vaccination. From your comment: > Because if I put something in my body only because my master tells me to, I am a slave. So don't do it for that reason. Do it because it will save your (and other people's) life. That's an entirely reasonable position to take.
  - desine 5y ago
    Sure, but it's not the only reasonable position to take.
    - shaklee3 5y ago
      What are your concerns if you were to do it? Is it purely to take a stance?
      - desine 5y ago
        Concern over long term effects of mRNA therapy, of which I've found little evidence Concern over long term effects of the spike protein presented by COVID-19, both attached to the virus and free-floating within my body as a result of mRNA therapy. Concern over long term ability for my cells to accurately recreate the spike protein. From what I've read, this is actually low concern on my scale, the capping seems pretty thorough. Concern over my body creating an immunoresponse to organs/nearby cells/systems where the spike protein has accumulated Concern over my immune system being able to form a strong defense in the future over different coronaviruses when it's been trained to work outside it's normal operational parameters. Concern over the hubris of mankind and the house of cards that is our trust in the peer review system. Concern over the lack of experiment replication done in the modern medical fields Concern over the fact that some of these companies have shady history, including knowingly selling me asbestos to keep my testicle dry during the summer heat. Concern over the lack of transparency in the bridges between pharma lobbyists and government, politicians and media, and media and pharma corps. Concern over the lack of transparency in more broader sense. Concern over the obvious astroturfing on social media, of multiple "influencers" posting the same copy and pasted messages, the bot responses, the general fiscal funding behind this debate. Concern over the future implications of us accepting, as a society, the weaponization of fear, and the saving graces of corporations. Concern over our willingness to change our lives in drastic manners because of the justification that it may save a life, which I see as an endless justification opportunity for future world leaders. Concern over turning fear into a virtue.
        shaklee3 5y ago
        This is why the pandemic is nowhere near over. People who don't read data taking a political stance just because it's their right.
        desine 5y ago
        definitely not the issue of people handwaving away concerns as being unfounded or uneducated. thanks for showing me the truth.
        daddylongstroke 5y ago
  - grepfru_it 5y ago
    >save your life How do you know he wasn't already infected and thus has natural immunity? So how is this saving her or his life? Why aren't we testing for those who actually need this vaccine or not (because antibody tests don't work very well and no one wants to improve that metric because thats not where the money is)

You were vaccinated as a child and you're presumably perfectly fine. And it's not about you. It's about not being selfish to end a pandemic that affects other people a lot worse than it does you.

desine 5y ago

We allow parents to make decisions for children up to a certain age. I'm definitely not arguing that. It is about me. A population is made up of individual people. Those individual people have rights. Given a choice of a population of X size who surrender the rights to govern their body, vs a population of free willed humans of (X - (00.03 * X)), I would gladly take the latter, including as a casualty. Humanity under authoritarianism is never morally acceptable, regardless of how benevolent my dictator appears to be.

nl 5y ago
This is an argument against tyranny, but it isn't an argument against vaccination. From your comment: > Because if I put something in my body only because my master tells me to, I am a slave. So don't do it for that reason. Do it because it will save your (and other people's) life. That's an entirely reasonable position to take.
- desine 5y ago
  Sure, but it's not the only reasonable position to take.
  - shaklee3 5y ago
    What are your concerns if you were to do it? Is it purely to take a stance?
    - desine 5y ago
      Concern over long term effects of mRNA therapy, of which I've found little evidence Concern over long term effects of the spike protein presented by COVID-19, both attached to the virus and free-floating within my body as a result of mRNA therapy. Concern over long term ability for my cells to accurately recreate the spike protein. From what I've read, this is actually low concern on my scale, the capping seems pretty thorough. Concern over my body creating an immunoresponse to organs/nearby cells/systems where the spike protein has accumulated Concern over my immune system being able to form a strong defense in the future over different coronaviruses when it's been trained to work outside it's normal operational parameters. Concern over the hubris of mankind and the house of cards that is our trust in the peer review system. Concern over the lack of experiment replication done in the modern medical fields Concern over the fact that some of these companies have shady history, including knowingly selling me asbestos to keep my testicle dry during the summer heat. Concern over the lack of transparency in the bridges between pharma lobbyists and government, politicians and media, and media and pharma corps. Concern over the lack of transparency in more broader sense. Concern over the obvious astroturfing on social media, of multiple "influencers" posting the same copy and pasted messages, the bot responses, the general fiscal funding behind this debate. Concern over the future implications of us accepting, as a society, the weaponization of fear, and the saving graces of corporations. Concern over our willingness to change our lives in drastic manners because of the justification that it may save a life, which I see as an endless justification opportunity for future world leaders. Concern over turning fear into a virtue.
      - shaklee3 5y ago
        This is why the pandemic is nowhere near over. People who don't read data taking a political stance just because it's their right.
        desine 5y ago
        definitely not the issue of people handwaving away concerns as being unfounded or uneducated. thanks for showing me the truth.
        daddylongstroke 5y ago
- grepfru_it 5y ago
  >save your life How do you know he wasn't already infected and thus has natural immunity? So how is this saving her or his life? Why aren't we testing for those who actually need this vaccine or not (because antibody tests don't work very well and no one wants to improve that metric because thats not where the money is)