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I probably missed a lot of things, but didn’t Gnome already achieve this? Weren’t most of the people behind its design from Apple?

shortformblog 5y ago
The developer of Hello would disagree with you: https://medium.com/@probonopd/hellosystem-three-layer-ux-design-philosophy-for-simplicity-and-power-37c95bf58398 https://medium.com/@probonopd/hellosystem-three-layer-ux-des...
- chaostheory 5y ago
  That's a good sign. Gnome has only become practical for me in recent years. I believe it's because its designers were from the original Mac OS era (pre OSX) where they favored too much simplicity at the cost of functionality. Maybe Hello designers are trying to get the balance of usability & functionality of OS X / modern Mac OS? If so, that's a great goal and I look forward to trying out what they have to offer in the near future.
- ivolimmen 5y ago
  Funny how he complains about missing the German language setting and proposing a new system where my language (Dutch) is completely missing... I will stick to Gnome...
  - shortformblog 5y ago
    Clearly he designed an example from scratch to underline his basic point, which makes sense because he’s making a point about user interface design. There are only a handful of languages in there—presumably an actual list will have more. What a silly reason to not use something.
DanAtC 5y ago
Ubuntu's Unity was a lot more macOS-like with the default global menu bar, then they gave up on it :( Gnome doesn't even have a menu bar anymore, preferring apps use a single hamburger menu.
- foerbert 5y ago
  Wow. I believe you, but I really don't want to. I always figured that whole branch of design came out of dealing with mobile limitations, with some amount of side benefit from more screen space to do useless but flashy things to make the boss/client happy. Why would you ever go that route for a general purpose desktop?
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    Because modern UX designers consider users their enemy. It's the only explanation I've heard that fits all the data.
    - jeremyjh 5y ago
      It does sometimes seem like they are designing to impress other designers at talks and conferences, rather than to make users happy. But I respect anyone who develops open source end-user software. To say it is thankless is quite an understatement.
      - trulyme 5y ago
        Yes, it is, and I respect them too. I just wish UIs would be considered finished once the major UX and implementation bugs were fixed. The reason I won't touch eithet Gnome or KDE is that there have been so many reimplementations of their UI that I simply don't want to learn them again. And again. And again. Especially as they bring nothing new to the table, just more "flashiness".
        michaelmrose 5y ago
        As someone who has used KDE 3, 4 5 I would say the only really big change was 3 -> 4 and many aspects of it have been refined/improved. I think if you plunked someone down who had only used KDE 4, released in 2008, in front of the current version in 2021 they would require minimal learning to catch up. Growth requires change and if you don't have a billion dollars up front you do this iteratively in small pieces by necessity.
michaelmrose 5y ago
Gnome shares some of the same aesthetic choices and its co-founder famously went on the record as preferring Macs but I'm not aware of any substantial connection between Apple and Gnome. Gnome is strongly connected with Red Hat which naturally supports a lot of Linux development.

shortformblog 5y ago

The developer of Hello would disagree with you: https://medium.com/@probonopd/hellosystem-three-layer-ux-design-philosophy-for-simplicity-and-power-37c95bf58398 https://medium.com/@probonopd/hellosystem-three-layer-ux-des...

chaostheory 5y ago
That's a good sign. Gnome has only become practical for me in recent years. I believe it's because its designers were from the original Mac OS era (pre OSX) where they favored too much simplicity at the cost of functionality. Maybe Hello designers are trying to get the balance of usability & functionality of OS X / modern Mac OS? If so, that's a great goal and I look forward to trying out what they have to offer in the near future.
ivolimmen 5y ago
Funny how he complains about missing the German language setting and proposing a new system where my language (Dutch) is completely missing... I will stick to Gnome...
- shortformblog 5y ago
  Clearly he designed an example from scratch to underline his basic point, which makes sense because he’s making a point about user interface design. There are only a handful of languages in there—presumably an actual list will have more. What a silly reason to not use something.

DanAtC 5y ago

Ubuntu's Unity was a lot more macOS-like with the default global menu bar, then they gave up on it :( Gnome doesn't even have a menu bar anymore, preferring apps use a single hamburger menu.

foerbert 5y ago
Wow. I believe you, but I really don't want to. I always figured that whole branch of design came out of dealing with mobile limitations, with some amount of side benefit from more screen space to do useless but flashy things to make the boss/client happy. Why would you ever go that route for a general purpose desktop?
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  Because modern UX designers consider users their enemy. It's the only explanation I've heard that fits all the data.
  - jeremyjh 5y ago
    It does sometimes seem like they are designing to impress other designers at talks and conferences, rather than to make users happy. But I respect anyone who develops open source end-user software. To say it is thankless is quite an understatement.
    - trulyme 5y ago
      Yes, it is, and I respect them too. I just wish UIs would be considered finished once the major UX and implementation bugs were fixed. The reason I won't touch eithet Gnome or KDE is that there have been so many reimplementations of their UI that I simply don't want to learn them again. And again. And again. Especially as they bring nothing new to the table, just more "flashiness".
      - michaelmrose 5y ago
        As someone who has used KDE 3, 4 5 I would say the only really big change was 3 -> 4 and many aspects of it have been refined/improved. I think if you plunked someone down who had only used KDE 4, released in 2008, in front of the current version in 2021 they would require minimal learning to catch up. Growth requires change and if you don't have a billion dollars up front you do this iteratively in small pieces by necessity.

michaelmrose 5y ago

Gnome shares some of the same aesthetic choices and its co-founder famously went on the record as preferring Macs but I'm not aware of any substantial connection between Apple and Gnome. Gnome is strongly connected with Red Hat which naturally supports a lot of Linux development.