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So the vaccine is for people who want to protect themselves against a serious reaction. Makes the case for vaccination far less compelling than what most peopl

So the vaccine is for people who want to protect themselves against a serious reaction. Makes the case for vaccination far less compelling than what most people believe.

Arainach 5y ago
No. It's still significantly less likely that a vaccinated individual catches it in the first place, thus dramatically slowing community spread.
- briefcomment 5y ago
  Seems like that is also up for debate. In this CDC study[1], 74% of cases were in the vaccinated. Probably around 69% of the population were vaccinated, meaning the fact that more than 69% of the cases were in the vaccinated suggests that the vaccinated were even more susceptible than the unvaccinated. I'm sure there are plenty of considerations with this study, but it certainly isn't glaringly obvious that vaccination reduces susceptibility. [1]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm...
  - jsdevtom 5y ago
    Thank you. The majority in this thread seem to assume a higher net effect in preventing the spread through vaccination than is really the case.
  - shaklee3 5y ago
    Misleading/debunked: https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1422241916188516362?s=19 https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/142224191618851636...
  - jrib 5y ago
    Blog discussing this from shaklee3's Twitter link: https://inguyun.medium.com/the-provincetown-outbreak-is-actually-good-news-if-you-are-vaccinated-93a1edd763b6 https://inguyun.medium.com/the-provincetown-outbreak-is-actu...
  - lovich 5y ago
    Are you trying to make the claim that the vaccine makes you more susceptible to catching Covid than being unvaccinated?
manwe150 5y ago
You prefer death to being ill? The new data for the delta variant shows reduced protection for unvaccinated people (e.g. public benefit) from being around vaccinated people, but still shows benefit to vaccinated people.
- briefcomment 5y ago
  I'm not sure I'm getting your second sentence.
  - manwe150 5y ago
    What about it? To attempt to restate it: due to the emergence of the delta mutation, it is becoming less reliable to rely on the shared benefit of others being vaccinated to protect unvaccinated or immunocompromised individuals. So the risks to all populations is increasing, but not proportionally: the speed of spread to those without the personal benefit of being vaccinated is increasing much faster. Edit: note, I’ve seen your other link, and do wonder why that was observed for that community. Here I am referring to current CDC estimates for the country and reports of hospital utilization averages overall.

So the vaccine is for people who want to protect themselves against a serious reaction. Makes the case for vaccination far less compelling than what most people believe.

Arainach 5y ago

No. It's still significantly less likely that a vaccinated individual catches it in the first place, thus dramatically slowing community spread.

briefcomment 5y ago
Seems like that is also up for debate. In this CDC study[1], 74% of cases were in the vaccinated. Probably around 69% of the population were vaccinated, meaning the fact that more than 69% of the cases were in the vaccinated suggests that the vaccinated were even more susceptible than the unvaccinated. I'm sure there are plenty of considerations with this study, but it certainly isn't glaringly obvious that vaccination reduces susceptibility. [1]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm...
- jsdevtom 5y ago
  Thank you. The majority in this thread seem to assume a higher net effect in preventing the spread through vaccination than is really the case.
- shaklee3 5y ago
  Misleading/debunked: https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1422241916188516362?s=19 https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/142224191618851636...
- jrib 5y ago
  Blog discussing this from shaklee3's Twitter link: https://inguyun.medium.com/the-provincetown-outbreak-is-actually-good-news-if-you-are-vaccinated-93a1edd763b6 https://inguyun.medium.com/the-provincetown-outbreak-is-actu...
- lovich 5y ago
  Are you trying to make the claim that the vaccine makes you more susceptible to catching Covid than being unvaccinated?

manwe150 5y ago

You prefer death to being ill? The new data for the delta variant shows reduced protection for unvaccinated people (e.g. public benefit) from being around vaccinated people, but still shows benefit to vaccinated people.

briefcomment 5y ago
I'm not sure I'm getting your second sentence.
- manwe150 5y ago
  What about it? To attempt to restate it: due to the emergence of the delta mutation, it is becoming less reliable to rely on the shared benefit of others being vaccinated to protect unvaccinated or immunocompromised individuals. So the risks to all populations is increasing, but not proportionally: the speed of spread to those without the personal benefit of being vaccinated is increasing much faster. Edit: note, I’ve seen your other link, and do wonder why that was observed for that community. Here I am referring to current CDC estimates for the country and reports of hospital utilization averages overall.