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Hotz is a true hacker, Musk is a pseudo-nerd businessman. Tesla overstates their capabilities and is more interested in keeping their stock price high than in

by everly 5y ago

Hotz is a true hacker, Musk is a pseudo-nerd businessman. Tesla overstates their capabilities and is more interested in keeping their stock price high than in doing what is best for consumers.

xibalba 5y ago
> pseudo-nerd businessman I find this attitude towards Musk so, so odd. Where are you getting your info? He was coding PC games as a teen, wrote the code for zip2, was the cto at x.com, and taught himself rocket science from textbooks (as confirmed by other rocket scientists). If that’s a “pseudo nerd”, who qualifies as a “real nerd”?
- gitgud 5y ago
  > "He was coding PC games as a teen, wrote the code for zip2, was the cto at x.com, and taught himself rocket science from textbooks (as confirmed by other rocket scientists). If that’s a “pseudo nerd”, who qualifies as a “real nerd”?" If you don't code for 30 years, people might not call you a coder anymore. Hotz on the other-hand still regular live-streams himself programming and hacking.
  - ramraj07 5y ago
    If anyone has to have the coding chops of Hotz to be called a nerd then we probably have only 50 nerds in the world. Y’all can definitely log off of HACKER NEWS since the news is definitely not for you!
    - vntok 5y ago
      It's not called Nerd News.
  - agumonkey 5y ago
    Last time I've heard of his streams he started on a grandiose project and bailed out when stuck after a few hours.
- everly 5y ago
  Those may be his origins but these days he seems closer to a glorified carnival barker (albeit a very successful one).
  - ramraj07 5y ago
    I hate Musk as much as the regular guy but the constant undermining of the people you hate is the reason people who do this are never successful. Consider for a moment That Musk is a Nerd, a ruthless businessman and a cock all at the same time. He made (or at least partly shaped) companies that definitely do fantastical things. If you keep underestimating him only you loose not him.
    - everly 5y ago
      I certainly don’t hate him and don’t really see how I’m undermining him. Just providing my opinion on why his reputation is different than someone like George Hotz.
agumonkey 5y ago
I'm always stumped by geohotz legend, he jailbroke the iphone on his own, then took some vuln from another team and used it on a sony device. Am i missing something else ? He seems super brilliant and fast but I think there's a lot of imaginary genius .. and in that way I don't think hotz differs much from Musk (overselling his dreams because most humans do that)

by everly 5y ago

Hotz is a true hacker, Musk is a pseudo-nerd businessman. Tesla overstates their capabilities and is more interested in keeping their stock price high than in doing what is best for consumers.

xibalba 5y ago

> pseudo-nerd businessman I find this attitude towards Musk so, so odd. Where are you getting your info? He was coding PC games as a teen, wrote the code for zip2, was the cto at x.com, and taught himself rocket science from textbooks (as confirmed by other rocket scientists). If that’s a “pseudo nerd”, who qualifies as a “real nerd”?

gitgud 5y ago
> "He was coding PC games as a teen, wrote the code for zip2, was the cto at x.com, and taught himself rocket science from textbooks (as confirmed by other rocket scientists). If that’s a “pseudo nerd”, who qualifies as a “real nerd”?" If you don't code for 30 years, people might not call you a coder anymore. Hotz on the other-hand still regular live-streams himself programming and hacking.
- ramraj07 5y ago
  If anyone has to have the coding chops of Hotz to be called a nerd then we probably have only 50 nerds in the world. Y’all can definitely log off of HACKER NEWS since the news is definitely not for you!
  - vntok 5y ago
    It's not called Nerd News.
- agumonkey 5y ago
  Last time I've heard of his streams he started on a grandiose project and bailed out when stuck after a few hours.
everly 5y ago
Those may be his origins but these days he seems closer to a glorified carnival barker (albeit a very successful one).
- ramraj07 5y ago
  I hate Musk as much as the regular guy but the constant undermining of the people you hate is the reason people who do this are never successful. Consider for a moment That Musk is a Nerd, a ruthless businessman and a cock all at the same time. He made (or at least partly shaped) companies that definitely do fantastical things. If you keep underestimating him only you loose not him.
  - everly 5y ago
    I certainly don’t hate him and don’t really see how I’m undermining him. Just providing my opinion on why his reputation is different than someone like George Hotz.

agumonkey 5y ago

I'm always stumped by geohotz legend, he jailbroke the iphone on his own, then took some vuln from another team and used it on a sony device. Am i missing something else ? He seems super brilliant and fast but I think there's a lot of imaginary genius .. and in that way I don't think hotz differs much from Musk (overselling his dreams because most humans do that)