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It would be interesting to compare demographics of people pre-ordering Cybertruck vs electric F150. I was always assuming the hard core truck guys would rather

It would be interesting to compare demographics of people pre-ordering Cybertruck vs electric F150. I was always assuming the hard core truck guys would rather go for F150 while there will be many first-time truck owners ordering Cybertruck.

gopalv 5y ago
> demographics of people pre-ordering Cybertruck vs electric F150 The location of the people would be a bigger signal than the demographic (on income or age). An F150 would be bought by someone who does not care about a supercharger network & probably does not live near one (& also wants to run their house off it when the power does blink off for a couple of days). I'd bet someone who buys an F150 would also be in the market for Starlink more than a cybertruck buyer. On the Supercharger note, I'm starting to look at Tesla as sort of competition for Shell/Exxon rather than directly to GM or Ford.
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- MPSimmons 5y ago
  For the 21st century, everything old is new again. SpaceX may become the Dutch East India Company, and Tesla may be Standard Oil.
argonaut 5y ago
Yup. I think part of the brilliance of the Model 3 was convincing people who would never have considered buying a luxury car, to buy a luxury car. Like well-off professionals who would have normally just bought a Honda or Toyota. (And despite what many might say, $37k+ is definitely luxury sedan pricing. That is well optioned BMW 3 series and Mercedes C class pricing.)
- apahwa 5y ago
  3 series starts at 41k...
  - argonaut 5y ago
    1) My Model 3 numbers were out of date too. Model 3 SR+ is now $41,190 before incentives. 2) Actual typical sale price of the BMW 3 series is $36.6k-$40k (in my region, numbers will vary depending on region). https://www.kbb.com/bmw/3-series/2021/330i/?category=sedan&intent=buy-new&mileage=0&vehicleid=451330 https://www.kbb.com/bmw/3-series/2021/330i/?category=sedan&i...
oh_sigh 5y ago
If they are actually hard core truck guys(as in, people that actually use their truck for its truckiness), they will probably be turned off by the 65" bed length.

gopalv 5y ago

> demographics of people pre-ordering Cybertruck vs electric F150 The location of the people would be a bigger signal than the demographic (on income or age). An F150 would be bought by someone who does not care about a supercharger network & probably does not live near one (& also wants to run their house off it when the power does blink off for a couple of days). I'd bet someone who buys an F150 would also be in the market for Starlink more than a cybertruck buyer. On the Supercharger note, I'm starting to look at Tesla as sort of competition for Shell/Exxon rather than directly to GM or Ford.

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MPSimmons 5y ago
For the 21st century, everything old is new again. SpaceX may become the Dutch East India Company, and Tesla may be Standard Oil.

argonaut 5y ago

Yup. I think part of the brilliance of the Model 3 was convincing people who would never have considered buying a luxury car, to buy a luxury car. Like well-off professionals who would have normally just bought a Honda or Toyota. (And despite what many might say, $37k+ is definitely luxury sedan pricing. That is well optioned BMW 3 series and Mercedes C class pricing.)

apahwa 5y ago
3 series starts at 41k...
- argonaut 5y ago
  1) My Model 3 numbers were out of date too. Model 3 SR+ is now $41,190 before incentives. 2) Actual typical sale price of the BMW 3 series is $36.6k-$40k (in my region, numbers will vary depending on region). https://www.kbb.com/bmw/3-series/2021/330i/?category=sedan&intent=buy-new&mileage=0&vehicleid=451330 https://www.kbb.com/bmw/3-series/2021/330i/?category=sedan&i...

oh_sigh 5y ago

If they are actually hard core truck guys(as in, people that actually use their truck for its truckiness), they will probably be turned off by the 65" bed length.