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I happened to check today at what Tesla is driving for "Full Self-Driving Capability" and it's now $10,000. I was originally very interested in the feature, esp

by bko 5y ago

I happened to check today at what Tesla is driving for "Full Self-Driving Capability" and it's now $10,000. I was originally very interested in the feature, especially since it was available on a car that starts in the low 30s, but that price point seems way out of whack. I'm just glad there's some competition that's not tied to the car manufacturers. I can't trust modern cars to have an 2014 iPad quality touch screen, I have no faith in their ability to deliver self-driving.

fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
They just released a $100/mo. subscription for the FSD features, but I think the more advanced FSD that supposedly can handle city streets has an additional feature flag that’s gated on your safety record or something.
- jayd16 5y ago
  $199/mo actually, unless you know of a deal.
  - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
    I just confirmed in the app that it’s $99/mo for my 2020 3 LR AWD with the Enhanced Autopilot upgrade. https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-subscriptions#pricing https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-subscription...
    - jayd16 5y ago
      Ah, you need to have already bought EAP.
argonaut 5y ago
If you don't trust the car manufacturers, I'm not sure why you would trust a bolt-on system from a startup that may or may not have tested the system extensively with your specific car model. If anything, the car manufacturers at least have some legal liability.
- bko 5y ago
  They're much more transparent than any of the other car companies. There's also reasonable safety controls that I can understand. They don't apply torque or braking to a level such that I wouldn't be able to intervene. Essentially they can't run you off the road if you're paying attention. I have no clue what the other lane-assist guys do. They're a nameless faceless corporation. No identity, github, forum for issues, contact, nothing but marketing material. https://mleverything.substack.com/p/commaai-flying-cars-and-indefinite https://mleverything.substack.com/p/commaai-flying-cars-and-...
  - argonaut 5y ago
    Existing non-Tesla driver assist systems also don't run you off the road.

by bko 5y ago

fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago

They just released a $100/mo. subscription for the FSD features, but I think the more advanced FSD that supposedly can handle city streets has an additional feature flag that’s gated on your safety record or something.

jayd16 5y ago
$199/mo actually, unless you know of a deal.
- fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
  I just confirmed in the app that it’s $99/mo for my 2020 3 LR AWD with the Enhanced Autopilot upgrade. https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-subscriptions#pricing https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-subscription...
  - jayd16 5y ago
    Ah, you need to have already bought EAP.

argonaut 5y ago

If you don't trust the car manufacturers, I'm not sure why you would trust a bolt-on system from a startup that may or may not have tested the system extensively with your specific car model. If anything, the car manufacturers at least have some legal liability.

bko 5y ago
They're much more transparent than any of the other car companies. There's also reasonable safety controls that I can understand. They don't apply torque or braking to a level such that I wouldn't be able to intervene. Essentially they can't run you off the road if you're paying attention. I have no clue what the other lane-assist guys do. They're a nameless faceless corporation. No identity, github, forum for issues, contact, nothing but marketing material. https://mleverything.substack.com/p/commaai-flying-cars-and-indefinite https://mleverything.substack.com/p/commaai-flying-cars-and-...
- argonaut 5y ago
  Existing non-Tesla driver assist systems also don't run you off the road.