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maybe in movies. governments mostly tend to lie about things they did badly, not about long-term accomplishments that can be fairly easily measured against thei

by smhost 5y ago

maybe in movies. governments mostly tend to lie about things they did badly, not about long-term accomplishments that can be fairly easily measured against their previous record, currently level of expertise, etc.

wolverine876 5y ago
> maybe in movies No, I said "IME". Don't try to dismiss other people.
- arcticbull 5y ago
  I think some citations and evidence are generally preferable to broad sweeping statements prefixed with "in my experience" - I'm not saying you're wrong but you've given me no reason to believe.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    I agree, though it seems hard to find evidence that would support this as a general trend (not just a few examples). It would require finding existing research, I think. However, the dismissive response also has no evidence.
- SantalBlush 5y ago
  For the time being, I am going to dismiss you until you provide some actual evidence to support your claim.
sandworm101 5y ago
Lies about industrial progress? About industrial capacity? That is exactly the sort of thing that China has lied about in the past. There is a great video of Putin laughing as a minister talks about all the pork they export to indonesia. These sorts of lies are normal for such nations. Nobody takes them too seriously, especially those telling them.
- smhost 5y ago
  if by "sort of thing" you mean anything related to industry, then maybe you're right. but this is a claim about a particular technology, not a claim about aggregate capacity. if you're using russia as a point of comparison, this is maybe the one area where it might not be to your advantage, since one of the few things russia excels at is producing and selling nuclear technology. people might not take russia's claims about pig exports too seriously, but people do take seriously their nuclear claims (such as announcements about nuclear icebreakers, or whatever).
- thinktankie 5y ago
  > “These sorts of lies are normal for such nations” “I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole. We had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment.” -Mike Pompeo, former CIA director and U.S Secretary of State [1] [1] https://youtu.be/6RmEsPE7iq0?t=9 https://youtu.be/6RmEsPE7iq0?t=9
  - pyuser583 5y ago
    > teleSur is funded in whole or in part by several governments of Latin America. Didn’t know that was a thing.

by smhost 5y ago

wolverine876 5y ago

> maybe in movies No, I said "IME". Don't try to dismiss other people.

arcticbull 5y ago
I think some citations and evidence are generally preferable to broad sweeping statements prefixed with "in my experience" - I'm not saying you're wrong but you've given me no reason to believe.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  I agree, though it seems hard to find evidence that would support this as a general trend (not just a few examples). It would require finding existing research, I think. However, the dismissive response also has no evidence.
SantalBlush 5y ago
For the time being, I am going to dismiss you until you provide some actual evidence to support your claim.

sandworm101 5y ago

Lies about industrial progress? About industrial capacity? That is exactly the sort of thing that China has lied about in the past. There is a great video of Putin laughing as a minister talks about all the pork they export to indonesia. These sorts of lies are normal for such nations. Nobody takes them too seriously, especially those telling them.

smhost 5y ago
if by "sort of thing" you mean anything related to industry, then maybe you're right. but this is a claim about a particular technology, not a claim about aggregate capacity. if you're using russia as a point of comparison, this is maybe the one area where it might not be to your advantage, since one of the few things russia excels at is producing and selling nuclear technology. people might not take russia's claims about pig exports too seriously, but people do take seriously their nuclear claims (such as announcements about nuclear icebreakers, or whatever).
thinktankie 5y ago
> “These sorts of lies are normal for such nations” “I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole. We had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment.” -Mike Pompeo, former CIA director and U.S Secretary of State [1] [1] https://youtu.be/6RmEsPE7iq0?t=9 https://youtu.be/6RmEsPE7iq0?t=9
- pyuser583 5y ago
  > teleSur is funded in whole or in part by several governments of Latin America. Didn’t know that was a thing.