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Anecdotal case: I got covid this January, quite symptomatic, full anosmia, high fever and about 20% of lungs damaged. Since then I contacted freshly infected pe

Anecdotal case: I got covid this January, quite symptomatic, full anosmia, high fever and about 20% of lungs damaged. Since then I contacted freshly infected people at least twice. Both of them became sick 1-2 days after contact, one with proved Delta variant. In both cases I self-quarantined and get mild symptoms for 2-3 days: light fever, partial anosmia. Both time I got significant increase of IgG antibodies. So I consider my immunity is first class. At the same time, both persons I contracted virus from were fully vaccinated with two doses couple of months ago, one of them had a pretty bad case, missed hospital just one day away. The point is: if someone is ready to take a risk and contract covid - society should allow it because those people will either die on they own knowledge, or get a better immunity than any vaccine can offer. We know now that vaccination status and even natural immunity is not stopping people from virus transmission, so this argument is off the table.

paraph1n 5y ago
> or get a better immunity than any vaccine can offer. Better immunity? Almost no one who is fully vaccinated has ever died from COVID-19. It's hard to imagine better immunity than that. > society should allow it because those people will either die on they own knowledge, or get a better immunity than any vaccine can offer. Or they will serve as a mutation vector for the next, more transmissible, deadlier variant. I guess it comes down to whether you favor a rational society based on the rule of law and some degree of fairness, or a free-for-all anarchy where the only rule is natural selection. The latter is what we had before society was invented some thousands of years ago.
- SergeAx 5y ago
  Yes, almost no one who is fully vaccinated ever died from COVID. But those who underwent a real COVID rarely ever reinfected again, set aside suffering even mild symptoms. There are literally lower thousands reinfection cases in the world (0.5% by PCR research in Denmark), while infection cases among fully vaccinated are ordinary, especially with Delta variant. > Or they will serve as a mutation vector for the next, more transmissible, deadlier variant. Unfortunately, hosts with partial immunity (natural asymptomatic cases or half-vaccinated) are more suitable environment for virus mutation. In tabula rasa host virus just takes over the system by storm, all mutations are in equal conditions. Weak immunity means new mutations are having an advantage and natural selection completes the case. And now we know that even fully vaccinated people are relatively easily contracting Delta variant. You may draw the conclusion.
rgarrett88 5y ago
We know now that vaccination status and even natural immunity is not stopping people from virus transmission, so this argument is off the table. We've always known that some percent of those vaccinated will transmit the virus. The vaccine's effectiveness is not 100%. The point, among other reasons, is it reduces transmission.
- SergeAx 5y ago
  The point is not in vaccine efficacy. Even healthy individual may have virus in airways an be contagious, no matter being vaccinated or naturally immune.

paraph1n 5y ago

> or get a better immunity than any vaccine can offer. Better immunity? Almost no one who is fully vaccinated has ever died from COVID-19. It's hard to imagine better immunity than that. > society should allow it because those people will either die on they own knowledge, or get a better immunity than any vaccine can offer. Or they will serve as a mutation vector for the next, more transmissible, deadlier variant. I guess it comes down to whether you favor a rational society based on the rule of law and some degree of fairness, or a free-for-all anarchy where the only rule is natural selection. The latter is what we had before society was invented some thousands of years ago.

SergeAx 5y ago
Yes, almost no one who is fully vaccinated ever died from COVID. But those who underwent a real COVID rarely ever reinfected again, set aside suffering even mild symptoms. There are literally lower thousands reinfection cases in the world (0.5% by PCR research in Denmark), while infection cases among fully vaccinated are ordinary, especially with Delta variant. > Or they will serve as a mutation vector for the next, more transmissible, deadlier variant. Unfortunately, hosts with partial immunity (natural asymptomatic cases or half-vaccinated) are more suitable environment for virus mutation. In tabula rasa host virus just takes over the system by storm, all mutations are in equal conditions. Weak immunity means new mutations are having an advantage and natural selection completes the case. And now we know that even fully vaccinated people are relatively easily contracting Delta variant. You may draw the conclusion.

rgarrett88 5y ago

We know now that vaccination status and even natural immunity is not stopping people from virus transmission, so this argument is off the table. We've always known that some percent of those vaccinated will transmit the virus. The vaccine's effectiveness is not 100%. The point, among other reasons, is it reduces transmission.

SergeAx 5y ago
The point is not in vaccine efficacy. Even healthy individual may have virus in airways an be contagious, no matter being vaccinated or naturally immune.