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Do you not show your ID at a bar? What privacy are you giving up here?
by tayo42 5y ago
Do you not show your ID at a bar? What privacy are you giving up here?
- wtfzse 5y agoIt isn't about privacy dumbass. It is about freedom of movement and travel - something the 5th amendment enshrines perfectly well in English for those of us in the USA. "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." https://famguardian.org/Subjects/Freedom/Rights/Travel/RightToTravel.htm https://famguardian.org/Subjects/Freedom/Rights/Travel/Right... This entire "mandate", "law" whatever you want to call is 100% completely unconstitutional. Yes, it might take a year to travel through the courts but it is clearly unconstitutional.
- swader999 5y agoDo they scan it with a call to the cloud to verify it? That's the real threat here - continuous tracking, ability to turn it off or geo fence you to a certain area.
- tayo42 5y agoI'm not sure the implentation but I have gotten my ID scanned to get into places and to buy lotto tickets Do you pay cash for everything? nnever use a credit card? Don't fly?
- swader999 5y agoAll of those kinds of transactions are voluntary with anonymous alternatives except for flying. This will become a scanable thing because if it doesn't it won't be a workable system. BTW I'm opposed to scanning for flying too. No fly lists are an example that came out of this practice. They'll do the same with this new system - no go lists for those with a low enough social credit score.
- ativzzz 5y agoActually, I lived in a texas county where some (all?) of the bars required ID scans that I can only assume called the cloud to verify/store data
- digisign 5y agoTime to hit the liquor store. ;-)
- stereo 5y agoThe EU-style vaccination certificates can be locally verified. No data goes to the cloud, and the software is, for many countries, open source.
- ryan_lane 5y agoID scans at bars have been normal for at least decade. Have you really never had your ID scanned? I find that hard to believe. I hate it. There's no good reason to scan my ID when I'm very obviously of legal age. Some of the bars do this for tracking data and to sell your personal info. Some of the bars are lazy and it's a relatively straightforward way to validate your card. There's a good reason to validate that I have a vaccine, though, because my presence there affects the life of the staff and other customers. I'm not giving up freedom here, because it's not my freedom to put others at risk, and they shouldn't have the freedom to put mine at risk. Your slippery slope arguments are also really bad. You can already be (and already are) tracked by your cell phone at all times. We don't need vaccine checks to do it. If the scary government was going to come get you, they have more than enough at their disposal currently to do it.
- digisign 5y agoNope, one guy at a festival was about to try and I didn't allow it. Handed me to his boss who checked it manually.