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Believe it or not you can feed the homeless and also want the city to do more for them without turning your streets into a slum.

scoofy 5y ago
Beyond that, it is arguable that allowing people to live in squalor yield the worse welfare outcomes these people than limiting their agency. Thus, you can both want to provide them with fresh, clean food and prevent them from living in areas that spread diseases like typhus. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/03/typhus-tuberculosis-medieval-diseases-spreading-homeless/584380/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/03/typhus-tu...
SrslyJosh 5y ago
Hard to see how the net impact of this lawsuit is going to be anything other than more state violence directed at homeless people.
- the_optimist 5y ago
  Perhaps it’s hard for you to envision. You may not have seen this before. It has not always been the case that losing your way in life consigns you to living under a tarp on the overpass, while the $1B borrowed by the city to care for you disappears to cronies. Let me paint a picture of a different world where people engage with their local organizations, neighbors, and their colleagues to provide and care for those who are unable to care for themselves.
  - stickfigure 5y ago
    > It has not always been the case that losing your way in life consigns you to... I really want to know whose history you studied. From what I've read, "losing your way in life" usually resulted in starvation and death. Maybe if you're lucky you get drafted into war, and extra lucky you come back alive and intact. Seems like it's only been the last hundred years or so that we've made any real progress here.
Causality1 5y ago
She's not suing the city to make it provide them with better housing. She's suing the city to make it force them off of the sidewalks. Whatever her motivations are, that will be the immediate result if she wins the lawsuit.

scoofy 5y ago

Beyond that, it is arguable that allowing people to live in squalor yield the worse welfare outcomes these people than limiting their agency. Thus, you can both want to provide them with fresh, clean food and prevent them from living in areas that spread diseases like typhus. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/03/typhus-tuberculosis-medieval-diseases-spreading-homeless/584380/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/03/typhus-tu...

SrslyJosh 5y ago

Hard to see how the net impact of this lawsuit is going to be anything other than more state violence directed at homeless people.

the_optimist 5y ago
Perhaps it’s hard for you to envision. You may not have seen this before. It has not always been the case that losing your way in life consigns you to living under a tarp on the overpass, while the $1B borrowed by the city to care for you disappears to cronies. Let me paint a picture of a different world where people engage with their local organizations, neighbors, and their colleagues to provide and care for those who are unable to care for themselves.
- stickfigure 5y ago
  > It has not always been the case that losing your way in life consigns you to... I really want to know whose history you studied. From what I've read, "losing your way in life" usually resulted in starvation and death. Maybe if you're lucky you get drafted into war, and extra lucky you come back alive and intact. Seems like it's only been the last hundred years or so that we've made any real progress here.

Causality1 5y ago

She's not suing the city to make it provide them with better housing. She's suing the city to make it force them off of the sidewalks. Whatever her motivations are, that will be the immediate result if she wins the lawsuit.