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There's also a difference when a business decides on it's own to mandate shoes, versus a government mandate for all businesses. I would be just as against a go

There's also a difference when a business decides on it's own to mandate shoes, versus a government mandate for all businesses. I would be just as against a government mandate that all private establishments must have a no shirt/no shoes policy. I don't even think a vaccine mandate for private businesses would be constitutional under the first amendment, the courts have recognized multiple times that freedom of association is protected even if it is not explicit in the constitution.

bob33212 5y ago
OK so we are on the same page. If every private business requires a vaccine, the people who don't want to get vaccinated can just do something else other than go to businesses.
- rubyist5eva 5y ago
  I don't think it's that simple for "every private business" to collectively all of a sudden decide that vaccines will be mandatory, "businesses" are not a hive mind and it will be inevitable that "no vaccine required" businesses will prop up to fill the void.
  - bob33212 5y ago
    OK, businesses that want to have unvaccinated people in their stores will be able to do that.
    - rubyist5eva 5y ago
      Sure. Some are even going so far as to ban vaccinated people from their establishments as well. https://www.newsweek.com/chris-cuomo-tony-roman-clash-bizarre-cnn-interview-you-sound-like-idiot-1614205 https://www.newsweek.com/chris-cuomo-tony-roman-clash-bizarr... I'm not a fan of a divided society like this - it is not a good sign for the long term health of a nation.
      - bob33212 5y ago
        I Agree, I wish people would try to find a compromise. Unfortunately the people who choose to not vaccinate will die out and have no voice in the matter.
        rubyist5eva 5y ago
        I don't think the virus is deadly enough for it to come to that. Personally I think the damage to the social order of "free" societies will be worse.
        bob33212 5y ago
        What is the damage? Telling people that the vaccine may help them not die is damage? Just look at the data, unvaccinated people are dying much more frequently than vaccinated people.
        IG_Semmelweiss 5y ago
        Opening the door to force citizens to carry medical history (and a potential scarlet letter) is not damage? Do you recognize that SS - when it started - was on the pretext that is was just for retirement? Look as us today. People are even ending up in court...or in debt, because their SS is stolen. This policy is not just about telling people to take the vaccine. This policy is forcing it and also creating a new system of peeking, stealing, hacking into PHI
        bob33212 5y ago
        Where are you getting your information from? I have not seen anyone with a scarlet letter or being forced to put the PII into a public database?
  - 8note 5y ago
    A whole ton did in Seattle last weekend
    - rubyist5eva 5y ago
      100% of them?

bob33212 5y ago

OK so we are on the same page. If every private business requires a vaccine, the people who don't want to get vaccinated can just do something else other than go to businesses.

rubyist5eva 5y ago
I don't think it's that simple for "every private business" to collectively all of a sudden decide that vaccines will be mandatory, "businesses" are not a hive mind and it will be inevitable that "no vaccine required" businesses will prop up to fill the void.
- bob33212 5y ago
  OK, businesses that want to have unvaccinated people in their stores will be able to do that.
  - rubyist5eva 5y ago
    Sure. Some are even going so far as to ban vaccinated people from their establishments as well. https://www.newsweek.com/chris-cuomo-tony-roman-clash-bizarre-cnn-interview-you-sound-like-idiot-1614205 https://www.newsweek.com/chris-cuomo-tony-roman-clash-bizarr... I'm not a fan of a divided society like this - it is not a good sign for the long term health of a nation.
    - bob33212 5y ago
      I Agree, I wish people would try to find a compromise. Unfortunately the people who choose to not vaccinate will die out and have no voice in the matter.
      - rubyist5eva 5y ago
        I don't think the virus is deadly enough for it to come to that. Personally I think the damage to the social order of "free" societies will be worse.
        bob33212 5y ago
        What is the damage? Telling people that the vaccine may help them not die is damage? Just look at the data, unvaccinated people are dying much more frequently than vaccinated people.
        IG_Semmelweiss 5y ago
        Opening the door to force citizens to carry medical history (and a potential scarlet letter) is not damage? Do you recognize that SS - when it started - was on the pretext that is was just for retirement? Look as us today. People are even ending up in court...or in debt, because their SS is stolen. This policy is not just about telling people to take the vaccine. This policy is forcing it and also creating a new system of peeking, stealing, hacking into PHI
        bob33212 5y ago
        Where are you getting your information from? I have not seen anyone with a scarlet letter or being forced to put the PII into a public database?
- 8note 5y ago
  A whole ton did in Seattle last weekend
  - rubyist5eva 5y ago
    100% of them?