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I can't disagree more. Doesn't it feel a little too convenient to label your opposition as "beyond saving"? And how do you propose we "deal with this movement

I can't disagree more. Doesn't it feel a little too convenient to label your opposition as "beyond saving"? And how do you propose we "deal with this movement now" if you've convinced yourself they can't be reasoned with? I know it's not true from first hand experience. I've convinced a dozen people with hard-right political ideologies to get the vaccine. It hasn't always worked, but I've had much more success than not. Respect is difficult, but it works. And you'll never be able to justifiably expect others to respect you if you don't respect them first. Be the change you want to see. Also, one person being respectful is not enough to change things at scale - especially someone in as naturally divisive a position as POTUS.

wolverine876 5y ago
I didn't label them as "beyond saving", etc. I'm not saying to be disrespectful. I'm saying that the problem isn't respect, it's the ideology of the political movement to reject masks, the vaccine, and everything else - there was no chance they would accept it; they are extreme reactionaries. Try to imagine a scenario where the government announced masks and a vaccine, and they all got in line. Respect is only a justification, a rhetorical technique they've used for a long time - adopt the position of a victim (and in fact, I don't see people being particularly disrespectful). > naturally divisive a position as POTUS It's not "naturally divisive"; that's only an issue of the reactionary political movement. Presidents have been uniting the country for generations. Biden is not divisive; Obama was not divisive; Trump and the reactionaries are. > Doesn't it feel a little too convenient to label your opposition as "beyond saving"? And how do you propose we "deal with this movement now" It's not convenient for me; it's more convenient to keep my head buried while the movement and the problem, which I agree is very difficult, grows worse. People don't want to face the catastrophe; neither do I. It can't be more obvious; all the warning lights are blinking red. We have a responsibility to our ancestors, who faced catastrophes and built a society for us, and to our decedents, to face the problem and the hardship.
- jimmygrapes 5y ago
  Your use of "reactionary" gives me simultaneously both hints of an extreme lack of self awareness and a strong sense of "Conform or die." Might wanna work on that messaging.
  - loopz 5y ago
    What if it's true and those top bullshitters (not all) are indeed lying all the time? Why would any decent human being excuse that or fail to call it out?

wolverine876 5y ago

I didn't label them as "beyond saving", etc. I'm not saying to be disrespectful. I'm saying that the problem isn't respect, it's the ideology of the political movement to reject masks, the vaccine, and everything else - there was no chance they would accept it; they are extreme reactionaries. Try to imagine a scenario where the government announced masks and a vaccine, and they all got in line. Respect is only a justification, a rhetorical technique they've used for a long time - adopt the position of a victim (and in fact, I don't see people being particularly disrespectful). > naturally divisive a position as POTUS It's not "naturally divisive"; that's only an issue of the reactionary political movement. Presidents have been uniting the country for generations. Biden is not divisive; Obama was not divisive; Trump and the reactionaries are. > Doesn't it feel a little too convenient to label your opposition as "beyond saving"? And how do you propose we "deal with this movement now" It's not convenient for me; it's more convenient to keep my head buried while the movement and the problem, which I agree is very difficult, grows worse. People don't want to face the catastrophe; neither do I. It can't be more obvious; all the warning lights are blinking red. We have a responsibility to our ancestors, who faced catastrophes and built a society for us, and to our decedents, to face the problem and the hardship.

jimmygrapes 5y ago
Your use of "reactionary" gives me simultaneously both hints of an extreme lack of self awareness and a strong sense of "Conform or die." Might wanna work on that messaging.
- loopz 5y ago
  What if it's true and those top bullshitters (not all) are indeed lying all the time? Why would any decent human being excuse that or fail to call it out?