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> What's the "pie"? It's explained in my previous comment.

by pier25 5y ago

HWR_14 5y ago
> It's explained in my previous comment. Not well enough for me to understand, because I asked what you meant.
- pier25 5y ago
  If a dev uses a Facebook login on an app then it will never be able to remove it again as users won't be able to log in. Similarly, if it uses Facebook comments, these cannot be removed from a website as the content would be lost. Apple does the same thing. As a dev once you open the door to using Apple you're forever stuck with that. As a user, it entrenches you further into the Apple ecosystem which is ultimately the whole Apple product strategy.
  - HWR_14 5y ago
    I don't really think lock in is Apple's primary goal. I think they are opposed to Google/FB spying on us, and therefore there has to be an alternative. You don't have to implement Apple SSO, you just cannot use any other SSO without adding it as an alternative. I like this result as a user.
  - sbuk 5y ago
    Again, the point that you as a developer are missing is that your behavior is atleast as, if not more abusive towards your end user than Apple are being. Why should your user have to use an anti-privacy 3rd party like Facebook to use your app or service? Where is the users choice other than to not use your product? I have to be honest here and say that I amazed, but sadly not surprised by the level of entitlement on display from a very small but extremely vocal set of developers.
    - pier25 5y ago
      > your behavior is atleast as, if not more abusive towards your end user than Apple are being My behavior? You have no idea what I do. I don't even develop for Apple platforms. > Why should your user have to use an anti-privacy 3rd party like Facebook to use your app or service? I would never use anything by Facebook. Not sure where you got that from. > Where is the users choice other than to not use your product? That is choice. > I amazed, but sadly not surprised by the level of entitlement on display from a very small but extremely vocal set of developers As a dev shouldn't I be able to have control over my application?

> What's the "pie"? It's explained in my previous comment.

by pier25 5y ago

> What's the "pie"? It's explained in my previous comment.

HWR_14 5y ago

> It's explained in my previous comment. Not well enough for me to understand, because I asked what you meant.

pier25 5y ago
If a dev uses a Facebook login on an app then it will never be able to remove it again as users won't be able to log in. Similarly, if it uses Facebook comments, these cannot be removed from a website as the content would be lost. Apple does the same thing. As a dev once you open the door to using Apple you're forever stuck with that. As a user, it entrenches you further into the Apple ecosystem which is ultimately the whole Apple product strategy.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  I don't really think lock in is Apple's primary goal. I think they are opposed to Google/FB spying on us, and therefore there has to be an alternative. You don't have to implement Apple SSO, you just cannot use any other SSO without adding it as an alternative. I like this result as a user.
- sbuk 5y ago
  Again, the point that you as a developer are missing is that your behavior is atleast as, if not more abusive towards your end user than Apple are being. Why should your user have to use an anti-privacy 3rd party like Facebook to use your app or service? Where is the users choice other than to not use your product? I have to be honest here and say that I amazed, but sadly not surprised by the level of entitlement on display from a very small but extremely vocal set of developers.
  - pier25 5y ago
    > your behavior is atleast as, if not more abusive towards your end user than Apple are being My behavior? You have no idea what I do. I don't even develop for Apple platforms. > Why should your user have to use an anti-privacy 3rd party like Facebook to use your app or service? I would never use anything by Facebook. Not sure where you got that from. > Where is the users choice other than to not use your product? That is choice. > I amazed, but sadly not surprised by the level of entitlement on display from a very small but extremely vocal set of developers As a dev shouldn't I be able to have control over my application?