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People know. They know, if anything, because you need to be vaccinated to attend colleges. The issue is that this vaccine is not FDA approved. A vaccine that p

People know. They know, if anything, because you need to be vaccinated to attend colleges. The issue is that this vaccine is not FDA approved. A vaccine that provides for only a year is hardly the same as a booster shot which is good for 10 iirc.

karmelapple 5y ago
Reading this, I wondered what might be keeping it from being fully FDA approved. I found this article explains it well: https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2021/07/30/why-hasnt-the-fda-fully-approved-any-covid-19-vaccines-yet/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2021/07/30/why-ha... A few quotes I thought were noteworthy: > For emergency authorization, the FDA required two months of safety data versus six months for full approval, he explains. > Pfizer submitted its application on May 7 and was granted special priority review status on July 16. In a press release, the company said the decision whether to fully approve the vaccine should come by January 2022. Other reports suggest Pfizer’s approval will likely be sooner, possibly as early as the start of the school year. > As you might expect, clinical trial data is scrutinized, but the process involves more than just experts reading data. The FDA also inspects manufacturing facilities and meets many times with company executives. > "I think a lot of us are baffled why the FDA is taking so long.” - Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health > To that end, the agency has reportedly expedited the process, even deprioritizing other projects in order to accelerate the timeline. That last sentence struck me strangely, seeming to imply reprioritizing other projects was a big deal. We're still in a global pandemic, people are still dying here in the USA, and the economic realities still actively happening... yeah, I think deprioritizing other things is about the least surprising thing imaginable.
_ph_ 5y ago
The vaccines have full approval here in the EU. Thats why we got the vaccines 2 months later than the US. It is also not clear, how long the vaccines protect. Some part of the immune response is considered to be quite long-term, only the antibody-count falls quicker. The thing is: we lack precise data here and we have an ongoing pandemic. Once the pandemic is over, it is much safer to explore how long we can set the interval for booster shots.
ashtonkem 5y ago
It’s time to move these vaccines up into regular approval, for a variety of reasons. This is probably the most scrutinized vaccine ever, keeping it in emergency use is mistake. > A vaccine that provides for only a year is hardly the same as a booster shot which is good for 10 iirc. As compared to the flu shot? The one that I’ve been given for free in every school and workplace I’ve attended in the past twenty years? Logistically, yearly shots are nbd. Maybe we should make flu shots mandatory for education just like the MMR shot, given the number of kids killed by the flu every year.
- chana_masala 5y ago
  > This is probably the most scrutinized vaccine ever Not in terms of long term data, at all
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    What exactly are you expecting to happen, for the vaccine to turn around and kill 600,000 Americans?
    - chana_masala 5y ago
      Over a long period of time anything is possible.
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - ashtonkem 5y ago
        Isn’t this just an argument for nihilism? Over a long time anything is possible, but that’s not an excuse to ignore the data that we have right here and now. Never mind that there will never be a point where there isn’t a “long period of time” in front of us, which becomes a convenient excuse for permanent inaction. Also, anything being possible is not the same as anything being probable. The vaccine might make me grow a third arm too, after all anything is possible in the long run, but you would laugh if I said that I wasn’t getting a vaccine for the fear of my tailoring bill.

karmelapple 5y ago

Reading this, I wondered what might be keeping it from being fully FDA approved. I found this article explains it well: https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2021/07/30/why-hasnt-the-fda-fully-approved-any-covid-19-vaccines-yet/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2021/07/30/why-ha... A few quotes I thought were noteworthy: > For emergency authorization, the FDA required two months of safety data versus six months for full approval, he explains. > Pfizer submitted its application on May 7 and was granted special priority review status on July 16. In a press release, the company said the decision whether to fully approve the vaccine should come by January 2022. Other reports suggest Pfizer’s approval will likely be sooner, possibly as early as the start of the school year. > As you might expect, clinical trial data is scrutinized, but the process involves more than just experts reading data. The FDA also inspects manufacturing facilities and meets many times with company executives. > "I think a lot of us are baffled why the FDA is taking so long.” - Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health > To that end, the agency has reportedly expedited the process, even deprioritizing other projects in order to accelerate the timeline. That last sentence struck me strangely, seeming to imply reprioritizing other projects was a big deal. We're still in a global pandemic, people are still dying here in the USA, and the economic realities still actively happening... yeah, I think deprioritizing other things is about the least surprising thing imaginable.

_ph_ 5y ago

The vaccines have full approval here in the EU. Thats why we got the vaccines 2 months later than the US. It is also not clear, how long the vaccines protect. Some part of the immune response is considered to be quite long-term, only the antibody-count falls quicker. The thing is: we lack precise data here and we have an ongoing pandemic. Once the pandemic is over, it is much safer to explore how long we can set the interval for booster shots.

ashtonkem 5y ago

It’s time to move these vaccines up into regular approval, for a variety of reasons. This is probably the most scrutinized vaccine ever, keeping it in emergency use is mistake. > A vaccine that provides for only a year is hardly the same as a booster shot which is good for 10 iirc. As compared to the flu shot? The one that I’ve been given for free in every school and workplace I’ve attended in the past twenty years? Logistically, yearly shots are nbd. Maybe we should make flu shots mandatory for education just like the MMR shot, given the number of kids killed by the flu every year.

chana_masala 5y ago
> This is probably the most scrutinized vaccine ever Not in terms of long term data, at all
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  What exactly are you expecting to happen, for the vaccine to turn around and kill 600,000 Americans?
  - chana_masala 5y ago
    Over a long period of time anything is possible.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - ashtonkem 5y ago
      Isn’t this just an argument for nihilism? Over a long time anything is possible, but that’s not an excuse to ignore the data that we have right here and now. Never mind that there will never be a point where there isn’t a “long period of time” in front of us, which becomes a convenient excuse for permanent inaction. Also, anything being possible is not the same as anything being probable. The vaccine might make me grow a third arm too, after all anything is possible in the long run, but you would laugh if I said that I wasn’t getting a vaccine for the fear of my tailoring bill.