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to prevent the spread of disease

• jaywalk 5y ago
  It seems like these vaccines don't actually do that, though. At least not when it comes to the Delta variant.
  • CarelessExpert 5y ago
    Not even remotely true. Vaccines reduce ones chance of acquiring a Delta infection by a significant margin (not as high as previous variants but still significant). Even if you assume just 50% effectiveness in preventing disease (which is very conservative), that dramatically lowers the R-value and slows spread.
    • jaywalk 5y ago
      > Vaccines clearly reduce ones chance of acquiring a COVID infection by a significant margin. All of that data is pre-Delta. The best thing you can say about the vaccines today is that they tend to reduce the overall severity/prevent people from dying.
      • CarelessExpert 5y ago
        You really need to stop spreading falsehoods, you're not helping: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/vaccines-remain-largely-effective-against-delta-variant-counter-to-claims-from-fox-news-guest/ https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/vaccines-remain-largely-ef... The absolute lowest bound estimate was an Israeli study: > In late July, the ministry further reduced its vaccine effectiveness estimate for symptomatic COVID-19 to 40.5% However, they have failed to provide the data necessary to evaluate their results, and so at this time there's pretty wide skepticism regarding this figure. In contrast: > A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine on July 21 by Public Health England, for example, found that after the two recommended doses, the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in preventing symptomatic disease in the U.K. fell only slightly, to 88.0% against delta Being a betting man, I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but even at 60-70% effectiveness in preventing symptomatic Delta infection, vaccination leads to a significant reduction in R-value.