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Your children don't need to go to a public school, or daycare. You can home school if you're so opposed to these things. What alternative do I have for going t

by Alupis 5y ago

Your children don't need to go to a public school, or daycare. You can home school if you're so opposed to these things. What alternative do I have for going to the beach - and outdoor space? What alternative does the private gym owner/operator have? These steps are not the same as your examples.

0xB31B1B 5y ago
??? >>> Your children don't need to go to a public school, or daycare. You can home school if you're so opposed to these things. "you do not need to use public goods, you can stop using public goods and substitute them with private goods that you provision yourself" >>> what alternative do I have for going to the beach - and outdoor space? "how dare you challenge my use of public goods, I have no alternatives and this is an imposition on my rights as a citizen" For real though, in your self consistent thought framework the obvious obligation you have is to buy your own bit of beach or private park.
hunter2_ 5y ago
I was thinking about these categories with the opposite approach: we need a safe way [to educate people without the burden of home schooling] way more than we need a safe way [to eat/exercise without the burden of doing so at home].
- Alupis 5y ago
  At this point in time, children have experienced an infection rate, and complications that are near zero, statistically. To date, no child has received a vaccination. Why would we punish the vaccinated, and children, for a minority unvaccinated population? A population that largely (entirely?) puts their own self at risk and no other individual that has taken steps to protect themselves from the virus. Vaccines (in the US at least) are free to anyone that wants one at this point. It's been that way for months. If someone doesn't have a vaccine, it's because they chose to not get one - and therefore take on the risk of becoming ill or death. That's their problem... not children's problem or vaccinated people's problem. We're doing all this to protect a population that's actively resisting your protection. With all that said, let's get back to normal here. People who don't want vaccines aren't going to get them even if you made it the law... be realistic.
  - hunter2_ 5y ago
    I'm not saying we punish children. I'm saying it's more important to allow public education to proceed in whatever way works than to allow restaurant- and gym-going to proceed willy-nilly. I don't like restrictions in general, but I do prioritize these two things in a certain way.
    - Alupis 5y ago
      Why don't we let it all go forward, was the point I was making. We're trying to protect people that don't want protection. Time to move on and get back to normal.
      - krapp 5y ago
        "Normal" is being vaccinated. This isn't the world's first pandemic, nor is it the world's first widespread vaccination campaign. The fear, paranoia and mistrust around vaccinations against COVID is not normal. "Just let nature take its course" isn't normal, at least not in the modern history of civil societies.
        Alupis 5y ago
        Regardless of your personal definition of normal, you will not convince the unvaccinated people to get vaccinated. You've tried, and failed. Short of going door-to-door with guys with guns and body armor, forcefully pinning down people and jabbing them with vaccine - nothing you (or anyone) does will convince people to get a vaccine if they've decided at this point they do not want it for whatever their reasons may be. So... go about your business as usual. Stop trying to protect people that refuse your protection. It's wasted effort, and hurts everyone else that is already vaccinated.
        krapp 5y ago
        >So... go about your business as usual. Stop trying to protect people that refuse your protection. It's wasted effort, and hurts everyone else that is already vaccinated. Umm... no. They spread fear, uncertainty and doubt (and COVID) at every opportunity, they consider themselves on a crusade against vaccination and the vaccinated. Society is under no obligation to let dangerous fools remain comfortable in their foolishness.
lc9er 5y ago
> Your children don't need to go to a public school You’ve got this part backwards, if I’m reading this correctly. You must adhere to public health mandates to send a child to public school. If you choose not to abide, then you can opt to send your kid to a private school.
- IG_Semmelweiss 5y ago
  In most states, Private schools are subject to the same rules as public schools. Source: deparment of health

by Alupis 5y ago

0xB31B1B 5y ago

??? >>> Your children don't need to go to a public school, or daycare. You can home school if you're so opposed to these things. "you do not need to use public goods, you can stop using public goods and substitute them with private goods that you provision yourself" >>> what alternative do I have for going to the beach - and outdoor space? "how dare you challenge my use of public goods, I have no alternatives and this is an imposition on my rights as a citizen" For real though, in your self consistent thought framework the obvious obligation you have is to buy your own bit of beach or private park.

hunter2_ 5y ago

I was thinking about these categories with the opposite approach: we need a safe way [to educate people without the burden of home schooling] way more than we need a safe way [to eat/exercise without the burden of doing so at home].

Alupis 5y ago
At this point in time, children have experienced an infection rate, and complications that are near zero, statistically. To date, no child has received a vaccination. Why would we punish the vaccinated, and children, for a minority unvaccinated population? A population that largely (entirely?) puts their own self at risk and no other individual that has taken steps to protect themselves from the virus. Vaccines (in the US at least) are free to anyone that wants one at this point. It's been that way for months. If someone doesn't have a vaccine, it's because they chose to not get one - and therefore take on the risk of becoming ill or death. That's their problem... not children's problem or vaccinated people's problem. We're doing all this to protect a population that's actively resisting your protection. With all that said, let's get back to normal here. People who don't want vaccines aren't going to get them even if you made it the law... be realistic.
- hunter2_ 5y ago
  I'm not saying we punish children. I'm saying it's more important to allow public education to proceed in whatever way works than to allow restaurant- and gym-going to proceed willy-nilly. I don't like restrictions in general, but I do prioritize these two things in a certain way.
  - Alupis 5y ago
    Why don't we let it all go forward, was the point I was making. We're trying to protect people that don't want protection. Time to move on and get back to normal.
    - krapp 5y ago
      "Normal" is being vaccinated. This isn't the world's first pandemic, nor is it the world's first widespread vaccination campaign. The fear, paranoia and mistrust around vaccinations against COVID is not normal. "Just let nature take its course" isn't normal, at least not in the modern history of civil societies.
      - Alupis 5y ago
        Regardless of your personal definition of normal, you will not convince the unvaccinated people to get vaccinated. You've tried, and failed. Short of going door-to-door with guys with guns and body armor, forcefully pinning down people and jabbing them with vaccine - nothing you (or anyone) does will convince people to get a vaccine if they've decided at this point they do not want it for whatever their reasons may be. So... go about your business as usual. Stop trying to protect people that refuse your protection. It's wasted effort, and hurts everyone else that is already vaccinated.
        krapp 5y ago
        >So... go about your business as usual. Stop trying to protect people that refuse your protection. It's wasted effort, and hurts everyone else that is already vaccinated. Umm... no. They spread fear, uncertainty and doubt (and COVID) at every opportunity, they consider themselves on a crusade against vaccination and the vaccinated. Society is under no obligation to let dangerous fools remain comfortable in their foolishness.

lc9er 5y ago

> Your children don't need to go to a public school You’ve got this part backwards, if I’m reading this correctly. You must adhere to public health mandates to send a child to public school. If you choose not to abide, then you can opt to send your kid to a private school.

IG_Semmelweiss 5y ago
In most states, Private schools are subject to the same rules as public schools. Source: deparment of health