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It’s also worth pointing out that this isn’t exactly a new policy. Most forms of education from kindergarten through college requires proof of various vaccines.

It’s also worth pointing out that this isn’t exactly a new policy. Most forms of education from kindergarten through college requires proof of various vaccines. I remember having to get a whole slew of boosters at 18 because we couldn’t find the old records in order to go to college. You’d think that after a pandemic has killed 600,000 of our fellow citizens we’d be able to come together and simply repeat as adults what we do for most children, but alas we live in a deeply unserious time.

chrisco255 5y ago
I don't have proof of any vaccine I have ever received. I didn't need to submit any kind of vaccination proof to go to college. Yes, I got my MMR and Tetanus shots in Kindergarten, but no one has cared since. And even then you can get exceptions. Medical fascism is not normal or acceptable in everyday life. We dealt with far worse diseases including smallpox, polio and many others without this authoritarianism.
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  Which college did you go to?
  - chrisco255 5y ago
    University of Florida
    - ashtonkem 5y ago
      Here’s the immunizations the University of Florida requires: https://healthcompliance.shcc.ufl.edu/immunization-requirement/requirements-and-recommendations/ https://healthcompliance.shcc.ufl.edu/immunization-requireme... Here’s the Florida law that requires immunization before entering K-12 school: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=1000-1099/1003/Sections/1003.22.html http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Displ... Based on the text of the law, immunization was required in K-12 Florida schools since at least 2002. Here’s the law that required you be immunized against Hep B and Meningitis before attending the University of Florida, also from 2002: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=1000-1099/1006/Sections/1006.69.html http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Displ... And the administrative code that covers both K-12 and adult education: https://www.flrules.org/gateway/readFile.asp?sid=0&tid=12780931&type=1&file=64D-3.046.doc https://www.flrules.org/gateway/readFile.asp?sid=0&tid=12780... It’s possible you didn’t provide this if you went to college before 2002, but if you went after 2002 then you just forgot. That or you signed a lot of waivers and forgot, but that’s a different claim. I guess you can claim that fascism won in Florida back in 2002, but that’s not going to persuade a lot of people.
      - forcry 5y ago
        >you can claim that fascism won in Florida back in 2002.. That is right, if it is true. > but that’s not going to persuade a lot of people. That is the second step. The first step is talking about it.
        ashtonkem 5y ago
        > That is right, if it is true. It’s not though, that was my point.
      - chrisco255 5y ago
        Well I went to college there in 2011-2014 and never, ever provided those docs. I don't have them now and never have had them. Honestly don't even know if I've had the Meningitis shot. EDIT: Yes, you should read the text more carefully: "An individual enrolled in a postsecondary educational institution who will be residing in on-campus housing shall provide documentation of vaccinations against meningococcal meningitis and hepatitis B unless the individual, if the individual is 18 years of age or older, or the individual’s parent, if the individual is a minor, declines the vaccinations by signing a separate waiver for each of these vaccines, provided by the institution, acknowledging receipt and review of the information provided." Declinable by waiver.
        ashtonkem 5y ago
        Sigh, the “gotcha” routine when you clearly didn’t read my entire comment is a tiring and sad thing. I called out the waiver thing, you didn’t read until the end before replying. > That or you signed a lot of waivers and forgot, but that’s a different claim. Oh the irony of you telling me to read the text more clearly. Frankly, given that you’ve apparently forgotten all this, I do not believe that there’s no record of you getting vaccinated. Unless if you come from an anti-vaxx family, I think you probably got vaccinated and simply forgot about it.
- rcpt 5y ago
  How about let's not repeat smallpox and polio. We need to stop this current virus as fast as possible so it doesn't become any worse.
  - chrisco255 5y ago
    Let's not repeat fascism. It killed tens of millions of people. Millions more died for liberty, don't take it in vain. We've already returned to pre-2020 levels of excess deaths in the U.S. [1] We have been there for months. Unless Covid mutates into something completely different, it's likely that 2020 was the worst year we'll ever see for it, because it was novel and no one had immunity at the beginning of 2020. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
    - ashtonkem 5y ago
      There needs to be a corollary to Godwin’s law for moments like these.

chrisco255 5y ago

I don't have proof of any vaccine I have ever received. I didn't need to submit any kind of vaccination proof to go to college. Yes, I got my MMR and Tetanus shots in Kindergarten, but no one has cared since. And even then you can get exceptions. Medical fascism is not normal or acceptable in everyday life. We dealt with far worse diseases including smallpox, polio and many others without this authoritarianism.

ashtonkem 5y ago
Which college did you go to?
- chrisco255 5y ago
  University of Florida
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    Here’s the immunizations the University of Florida requires: https://healthcompliance.shcc.ufl.edu/immunization-requirement/requirements-and-recommendations/ https://healthcompliance.shcc.ufl.edu/immunization-requireme... Here’s the Florida law that requires immunization before entering K-12 school: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=1000-1099/1003/Sections/1003.22.html http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Displ... Based on the text of the law, immunization was required in K-12 Florida schools since at least 2002. Here’s the law that required you be immunized against Hep B and Meningitis before attending the University of Florida, also from 2002: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=1000-1099/1006/Sections/1006.69.html http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Displ... And the administrative code that covers both K-12 and adult education: https://www.flrules.org/gateway/readFile.asp?sid=0&tid=12780931&type=1&file=64D-3.046.doc https://www.flrules.org/gateway/readFile.asp?sid=0&tid=12780... It’s possible you didn’t provide this if you went to college before 2002, but if you went after 2002 then you just forgot. That or you signed a lot of waivers and forgot, but that’s a different claim. I guess you can claim that fascism won in Florida back in 2002, but that’s not going to persuade a lot of people.
    - forcry 5y ago
      >you can claim that fascism won in Florida back in 2002.. That is right, if it is true. > but that’s not going to persuade a lot of people. That is the second step. The first step is talking about it.
      - ashtonkem 5y ago
        > That is right, if it is true. It’s not though, that was my point.
    - chrisco255 5y ago
      Well I went to college there in 2011-2014 and never, ever provided those docs. I don't have them now and never have had them. Honestly don't even know if I've had the Meningitis shot. EDIT: Yes, you should read the text more carefully: "An individual enrolled in a postsecondary educational institution who will be residing in on-campus housing shall provide documentation of vaccinations against meningococcal meningitis and hepatitis B unless the individual, if the individual is 18 years of age or older, or the individual’s parent, if the individual is a minor, declines the vaccinations by signing a separate waiver for each of these vaccines, provided by the institution, acknowledging receipt and review of the information provided." Declinable by waiver.
      - ashtonkem 5y ago
        Sigh, the “gotcha” routine when you clearly didn’t read my entire comment is a tiring and sad thing. I called out the waiver thing, you didn’t read until the end before replying. > That or you signed a lot of waivers and forgot, but that’s a different claim. Oh the irony of you telling me to read the text more clearly. Frankly, given that you’ve apparently forgotten all this, I do not believe that there’s no record of you getting vaccinated. Unless if you come from an anti-vaxx family, I think you probably got vaccinated and simply forgot about it.
rcpt 5y ago
How about let's not repeat smallpox and polio. We need to stop this current virus as fast as possible so it doesn't become any worse.
- chrisco255 5y ago
  Let's not repeat fascism. It killed tens of millions of people. Millions more died for liberty, don't take it in vain. We've already returned to pre-2020 levels of excess deaths in the U.S. [1] We have been there for months. Unless Covid mutates into something completely different, it's likely that 2020 was the worst year we'll ever see for it, because it was novel and no one had immunity at the beginning of 2020. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    There needs to be a corollary to Godwin’s law for moments like these.