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I can. I got my shots as soon as I could, but I know lots of people that will never do it. Yesterday I was eating at a ramen shop - traffic was slow, so I got t

I can. I got my shots as soon as I could, but I know lots of people that will never do it. Yesterday I was eating at a ramen shop - traffic was slow, so I got to listen to the bulletproof young man waiting tables talk to his friend at length about how he'd never get the shot, just like the flu, I'm not an anti-vaxxer - but, I don't wear tinfoil hats - but. The list of reasons not to do it was long and apparently convincing enough to them.

bserge 5y ago
A relative of mine is buying into the vaccine conspiracies along with shitting on depression and other mental problems, and honestly, I wish they'd get a serious case of Covid or something. These people don't learn until someone they know actually fucking dies.
- a3n 5y ago
  It's the "but I'm here to tell you folks, it's real" story. Some people just don't give a shit if it doesn't affect them personally.
- flycaliguy 5y ago
  This anti-vax nonsense has really tested my ability to not wish suffering on others. I’ve climbed that hill and found the empathy for these people, but it took actual mental effort.
- Inate_Hikkers 5y ago
  I'm not conspiratorial but I am "vaccine hesitant" as they call it here in the US. For instance, if I theoretically got bitten by a rabid dog and I didn't want to die I would take the rabies vax. I personally disapprove of the COVID vaccine since it is very unusual for vaccines to be made in two days...and evidence regarding long-term side effects is scarce. However if taking the Covid vaccine meant I would get $10k in cash, then of course I would take it. https://www.businessinsider.com/moderna-designed-coronavirus-vaccine-in-2-days-2020-11?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/moderna-designed-coronavirus... If you haven't seen my earlier comment I am the guy that DM'd you on reddit, I noticed your account was suspended and reverse searched the username.
  - bserge 5y ago
    Yeah, I am more pissed at the dismissal of metal health. Don't care much about Covid, had it, it was weak. I'd take the vaccine just to regain the freedoms. Then again I'd take anything lol, some shit I tried really sent me down some weird holes. And I would welcome death, so meh. Oh that guy, hey! I came home and my account is banned heh. Fantastic.
    - Inate_Hikkers 5y ago
      Instead of trying to tackle crime, drug use, depression, etc. at a surface level, the government should take a step back and try to look at WHY we are slaves to instant dopamine.
ksec 5y ago
OK, so what were those reasons?
- RyJones 5y ago
  The most convincing one was a version of "what if in 20 years they're running those ads like they did for mesothelioma?"
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > The most convincing one was a version of "what if in 20 years they're running those ads like they did for mesothelioma?" That argument is equally valid against doing almost anything, not just getting the vaccine.
    - RyJones 5y ago
      I didn’t say I was convinced; it’s the argument they returned to, tho.
tobr 5y ago
I have a hunch there’s quite a few people who just don’t like needles, and are happy there are so many creative excuses to avoid getting the shot.
- codyswann 5y ago
  I was asking the same thing the other day. No way to prove it, but I would say it's probably 25%. Before this all started, I knew quite a few people who were just terrified of needles. Now, it's not that they're terrified, it's just [insert BS reason]
- fmorel 5y ago
  I'm prone to fainting when needles are involved, and I fainted at the pharmacy after my first shot. I still got my second one later. It's worth it.
- williamstein 5y ago
  You're right. Needle phobia is an officially recognized phobia, and there's a Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_needles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_needles) about it, with estimates from 10% to well over 20% of the US adult population being needle phobic. (I'm vaccinated and not needle phobic.)
- scamper 5y ago
  It me. I put off the needle for a long time—in fact my last shot was in 1991. Until last month. And hopefully that will be my last needle, since so many more humane methods of delivery are just around the corner.
- squarefoot 5y ago
  Possibly, but they wouldn't make a noticeable number. The antivaxxers crowd is bigger and more motivated by the same nonsense. I wonder why they, including the same people who hate injections, never complained about mandatory vaccines for their kids, a practice that went on for decades in many countries? For example, most European countries had and still have 10 or more obligatory vaccinations for diseases that were finally defeated thanks to the practice, yet I have to meet one parent who refuses to let their kids receive it. I have good memory, and don't recall of anyone screaming when I was taking the anti-smallpox shot as a kid; it's just the same bullshit planted in their heads through social media. The covid vaccine is newer, therefore not tested enough? Bullshit! Every vaccine has been "young" at some time. There are no records of people protesting back then about treatments against diphteria, meningitis, polyo and others. There may be some side effects? Again a pile of bullshit. Lots of medicines can have side effects but people don't protest in the streets about that. Years back I took too many painkillers for my back pains, unfortunately they attacked my guts bacterial flora so I got an intestinal blockage while experiencing a sudden drop in blood red cells. I spent weeks taking tests and restoratives before it was clear I didn't have leukemia, which is present in my family and is what my father died of. No, it's not fear of the needle, it's pure and simple politicized misinformation through social media and other sources. Those idiots follow what their leaders say without turning on the brain; no critical thinking, or any consideration for the evidence: they're the perfect army any corrupt politician would love to herd.
chrismcb 5y ago
I'm curious, if you are young, what are the reasons to get vaccinated?
- iceyyou 5y ago
  to prevent the spread of disease
  - jaywalk 5y ago
    It seems like these vaccines don't actually do that, though. At least not when it comes to the Delta variant.
    - CarelessExpert 5y ago
      Not even remotely true. Vaccines reduce ones chance of acquiring a Delta infection by a significant margin (not as high as previous variants but still significant). Even if you assume just 50% effectiveness in preventing disease (which is very conservative), that dramatically lowers the R-value and slows spread.
      - jaywalk 5y ago
        > Vaccines clearly reduce ones chance of acquiring a COVID infection by a significant margin. All of that data is pre-Delta. The best thing you can say about the vaccines today is that they tend to reduce the overall severity/prevent people from dying.
        CarelessExpert 5y ago
        You really need to stop spreading falsehoods, you're not helping: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/vaccines-remain-largely-effective-against-delta-variant-counter-to-claims-from-fox-news-guest/ https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/vaccines-remain-largely-ef... The absolute lowest bound estimate was an Israeli study: > In late July, the ministry further reduced its vaccine effectiveness estimate for symptomatic COVID-19 to 40.5% However, they have failed to provide the data necessary to evaluate their results, and so at this time there's pretty wide skepticism regarding this figure. In contrast: > A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine on July 21 by Public Health England, for example, found that after the two recommended doses, the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in preventing symptomatic disease in the U.K. fell only slightly, to 88.0% against delta Being a betting man, I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but even at 60-70% effectiveness in preventing symptomatic Delta infection, vaccination leads to a significant reduction in R-value.
senectus1 5y ago
we had a 20yr old, unvaccinated die suddenly from covid just yesterday :-( No co-morb and otherwise very fit and healthy. How long until people LEARN.

bserge 5y ago

A relative of mine is buying into the vaccine conspiracies along with shitting on depression and other mental problems, and honestly, I wish they'd get a serious case of Covid or something. These people don't learn until someone they know actually fucking dies.

a3n 5y ago
It's the "but I'm here to tell you folks, it's real" story. Some people just don't give a shit if it doesn't affect them personally.
flycaliguy 5y ago
This anti-vax nonsense has really tested my ability to not wish suffering on others. I’ve climbed that hill and found the empathy for these people, but it took actual mental effort.
Inate_Hikkers 5y ago
I'm not conspiratorial but I am "vaccine hesitant" as they call it here in the US. For instance, if I theoretically got bitten by a rabid dog and I didn't want to die I would take the rabies vax. I personally disapprove of the COVID vaccine since it is very unusual for vaccines to be made in two days...and evidence regarding long-term side effects is scarce. However if taking the Covid vaccine meant I would get $10k in cash, then of course I would take it. https://www.businessinsider.com/moderna-designed-coronavirus-vaccine-in-2-days-2020-11?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/moderna-designed-coronavirus... If you haven't seen my earlier comment I am the guy that DM'd you on reddit, I noticed your account was suspended and reverse searched the username.
- bserge 5y ago
  Yeah, I am more pissed at the dismissal of metal health. Don't care much about Covid, had it, it was weak. I'd take the vaccine just to regain the freedoms. Then again I'd take anything lol, some shit I tried really sent me down some weird holes. And I would welcome death, so meh. Oh that guy, hey! I came home and my account is banned heh. Fantastic.
  - Inate_Hikkers 5y ago
    Instead of trying to tackle crime, drug use, depression, etc. at a surface level, the government should take a step back and try to look at WHY we are slaves to instant dopamine.

ksec 5y ago

OK, so what were those reasons?

RyJones 5y ago
The most convincing one was a version of "what if in 20 years they're running those ads like they did for mesothelioma?"
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > The most convincing one was a version of "what if in 20 years they're running those ads like they did for mesothelioma?" That argument is equally valid against doing almost anything, not just getting the vaccine.
  - RyJones 5y ago
    I didn’t say I was convinced; it’s the argument they returned to, tho.

tobr 5y ago

I have a hunch there’s quite a few people who just don’t like needles, and are happy there are so many creative excuses to avoid getting the shot.

codyswann 5y ago
I was asking the same thing the other day. No way to prove it, but I would say it's probably 25%. Before this all started, I knew quite a few people who were just terrified of needles. Now, it's not that they're terrified, it's just [insert BS reason]
fmorel 5y ago
I'm prone to fainting when needles are involved, and I fainted at the pharmacy after my first shot. I still got my second one later. It's worth it.
williamstein 5y ago
You're right. Needle phobia is an officially recognized phobia, and there's a Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_needles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_needles) about it, with estimates from 10% to well over 20% of the US adult population being needle phobic. (I'm vaccinated and not needle phobic.)
scamper 5y ago
It me. I put off the needle for a long time—in fact my last shot was in 1991. Until last month. And hopefully that will be my last needle, since so many more humane methods of delivery are just around the corner.
squarefoot 5y ago
Possibly, but they wouldn't make a noticeable number. The antivaxxers crowd is bigger and more motivated by the same nonsense. I wonder why they, including the same people who hate injections, never complained about mandatory vaccines for their kids, a practice that went on for decades in many countries? For example, most European countries had and still have 10 or more obligatory vaccinations for diseases that were finally defeated thanks to the practice, yet I have to meet one parent who refuses to let their kids receive it. I have good memory, and don't recall of anyone screaming when I was taking the anti-smallpox shot as a kid; it's just the same bullshit planted in their heads through social media. The covid vaccine is newer, therefore not tested enough? Bullshit! Every vaccine has been "young" at some time. There are no records of people protesting back then about treatments against diphteria, meningitis, polyo and others. There may be some side effects? Again a pile of bullshit. Lots of medicines can have side effects but people don't protest in the streets about that. Years back I took too many painkillers for my back pains, unfortunately they attacked my guts bacterial flora so I got an intestinal blockage while experiencing a sudden drop in blood red cells. I spent weeks taking tests and restoratives before it was clear I didn't have leukemia, which is present in my family and is what my father died of. No, it's not fear of the needle, it's pure and simple politicized misinformation through social media and other sources. Those idiots follow what their leaders say without turning on the brain; no critical thinking, or any consideration for the evidence: they're the perfect army any corrupt politician would love to herd.

chrismcb 5y ago

I'm curious, if you are young, what are the reasons to get vaccinated?

iceyyou 5y ago
to prevent the spread of disease
- jaywalk 5y ago
  It seems like these vaccines don't actually do that, though. At least not when it comes to the Delta variant.
  - CarelessExpert 5y ago
    Not even remotely true. Vaccines reduce ones chance of acquiring a Delta infection by a significant margin (not as high as previous variants but still significant). Even if you assume just 50% effectiveness in preventing disease (which is very conservative), that dramatically lowers the R-value and slows spread.
    - jaywalk 5y ago
      > Vaccines clearly reduce ones chance of acquiring a COVID infection by a significant margin. All of that data is pre-Delta. The best thing you can say about the vaccines today is that they tend to reduce the overall severity/prevent people from dying.
      - CarelessExpert 5y ago
        You really need to stop spreading falsehoods, you're not helping: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/vaccines-remain-largely-effective-against-delta-variant-counter-to-claims-from-fox-news-guest/ https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/vaccines-remain-largely-ef... The absolute lowest bound estimate was an Israeli study: > In late July, the ministry further reduced its vaccine effectiveness estimate for symptomatic COVID-19 to 40.5% However, they have failed to provide the data necessary to evaluate their results, and so at this time there's pretty wide skepticism regarding this figure. In contrast: > A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine on July 21 by Public Health England, for example, found that after the two recommended doses, the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in preventing symptomatic disease in the U.K. fell only slightly, to 88.0% against delta Being a betting man, I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but even at 60-70% effectiveness in preventing symptomatic Delta infection, vaccination leads to a significant reduction in R-value.

senectus1 5y ago

we had a 20yr old, unvaccinated die suddenly from covid just yesterday :-( No co-morb and otherwise very fit and healthy. How long until people LEARN.