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Or you know, let people decide if they want to take a risk. What do I care if someone doesnt want to get vaccinated and put themselves at risk? Thats on them.

Or you know, let people decide if they want to take a risk. What do I care if someone doesnt want to get vaccinated and put themselves at risk? Thats on them. Just like they can go bungee jump or drive a race car.

standardUser 5y ago
Primarily because of the threat to our healthcare system, but also because of those with high risk of breakthrough infection and those who cannot be vaccinated. I find it a little hard to believe that anyone who has lived through this pandemic does not understand this.
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  Considering a lot of vaccinated people can spread the virus, the immunocomprimised are already fscked, and should stay at home. For everyone else, there are vaccines, or if they want, they can risk it without. Give priority to vaccinated patients, and you're done.
  - standardUser 5y ago
    Vaccinated people do not spread the virus nearly as effectively as unvaccinated people. And you did not address the threat to our hospital system, which has been the number one concern for a year and a half. Surgeries are already being halted in multiple states... again. You might view it differently if it was your hospital that postponed your surgery because unvaccinated people had filled all their beds because of a preventable illness.
    - IG_Semmelweiss 5y ago
      There was a study upthread (from the Lancet?) that literally pointed out that there are the same level of virus load on nasal pathways for vaxxed and unvaxxed. I believe the study was linked by user timr This was the underlying logic for the cdc to require masks once again
      - standardUser 5y ago
        Yeah, we need a lot more data points than one tiny study. Almost all data to date shows vaccinated people do not spread the virus as effectively as unvaccinated people, and that vaccinated people are far more likely to have asymptomatic (not pre-symptomatic) infections, and most data points to those types of infections having a very low rate of transmission. One chunk of leaked data does not negate all previous research.
      - standardUser 5y ago
        Here is a link to the actual study. I would take a look at the limitations discussed in the Discussion section. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm
- trident5000 5y ago
  Put unvaccinated people who catch covid last in line at hospitals. Problem solved.
- 12elephant 5y ago
  > those who cannot be vaccinated You mean the same people this mandate will prevent from participating in society?
cwkoss 5y ago
It's an infectious disease. This isn't an issue of "you can risk your own life and health" - unvaccinated people are risking the lives of many others in their communities. You can't kill your neighbor's grandmother by bungee jumping.
- rcpt 5y ago
  It's odd. When people don't heed fire evacuations to try and save their homes they put first responders at risk and are lionized by the press. https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2009/08/14/bonny-dooners-brave-fire-danger-to-defend-homes-many-ignore-evacuation-order/ https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2009/08/14/bonny-dooners-b...
anigbrowl 5y ago
Can I drive a race car down your street?
- trident5000 5y ago
  I dont get your analogy. You can get the vaccine to protect yourself.
  - anigbrowl 5y ago
    Oh, I think you do. I'm not expressing any worry about my own protection, I'm asking if I can drive a race car down your street.
    - trident5000 5y ago
      No I really think I dont because it doesnt make any sense.

standardUser 5y ago

Primarily because of the threat to our healthcare system, but also because of those with high risk of breakthrough infection and those who cannot be vaccinated. I find it a little hard to believe that anyone who has lived through this pandemic does not understand this.

ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Considering a lot of vaccinated people can spread the virus, the immunocomprimised are already fscked, and should stay at home. For everyone else, there are vaccines, or if they want, they can risk it without. Give priority to vaccinated patients, and you're done.
- standardUser 5y ago
  Vaccinated people do not spread the virus nearly as effectively as unvaccinated people. And you did not address the threat to our hospital system, which has been the number one concern for a year and a half. Surgeries are already being halted in multiple states... again. You might view it differently if it was your hospital that postponed your surgery because unvaccinated people had filled all their beds because of a preventable illness.
  - IG_Semmelweiss 5y ago
    There was a study upthread (from the Lancet?) that literally pointed out that there are the same level of virus load on nasal pathways for vaxxed and unvaxxed. I believe the study was linked by user timr This was the underlying logic for the cdc to require masks once again
    - standardUser 5y ago
      Yeah, we need a lot more data points than one tiny study. Almost all data to date shows vaccinated people do not spread the virus as effectively as unvaccinated people, and that vaccinated people are far more likely to have asymptomatic (not pre-symptomatic) infections, and most data points to those types of infections having a very low rate of transmission. One chunk of leaked data does not negate all previous research.
    - standardUser 5y ago
      Here is a link to the actual study. I would take a look at the limitations discussed in the Discussion section. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm
trident5000 5y ago
Put unvaccinated people who catch covid last in line at hospitals. Problem solved.
12elephant 5y ago
> those who cannot be vaccinated You mean the same people this mandate will prevent from participating in society?

cwkoss 5y ago

It's an infectious disease. This isn't an issue of "you can risk your own life and health" - unvaccinated people are risking the lives of many others in their communities. You can't kill your neighbor's grandmother by bungee jumping.

rcpt 5y ago
It's odd. When people don't heed fire evacuations to try and save their homes they put first responders at risk and are lionized by the press. https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2009/08/14/bonny-dooners-brave-fire-danger-to-defend-homes-many-ignore-evacuation-order/ https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2009/08/14/bonny-dooners-b...

anigbrowl 5y ago

Can I drive a race car down your street?

trident5000 5y ago
I dont get your analogy. You can get the vaccine to protect yourself.
- anigbrowl 5y ago
  Oh, I think you do. I'm not expressing any worry about my own protection, I'm asking if I can drive a race car down your street.
  - trident5000 5y ago
    No I really think I dont because it doesnt make any sense.