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A high vaccination rate is most beneficial for poor and minority populations as they are by far the most exposed to the virus via work.

bobthechef 5y ago
Except they don't want it.
imwillofficial 5y ago
This seriously needs a cite. First time I've heard this claim.
- JoshTko 5y ago
  You need a citation to understand which part? That poor people most often have service jobs such as retail or food service? That service jobs are higher risk for Covid transmission than white collar jobs? Or that poor people have few resources to address health issues if they get Covid?
  - throwitaway1235 5y ago
    I'm not a dev, I just like tech stuff. I say this because I actually work with lower middle class Black and Brown people, though I'm White and lower middle class. Let me explain something to you guys, we worked through each "wave" and didn't really care. We were not "forced" to work. It was never a big deal. The whole "woe is the working class during Covid" was just an excuse for neurotic professional class workers to WFH.
    - mcguire 5y ago
      "We study the spread of COVID-19 infections and deaths by county poverty level in the US. In the beginning of the pandemic, counties with either very low poverty levels or very high poverty levels reported the highest numbers of cases. A U-shaped relationship prevails for counties with high population density while among counties with low population density, only poorer counties report high incidence rates of COVID-19. Second, we discuss the pattern of infections spreading from higher to lower income counties. Third, we show that stay-at-home mandates caused significantly higher reductions in mobility in high income counties that experienced adverse weather shocks than counties that did not. These effects are not present in counties with high poverty rates. Using weather shocks in combination with stay-at-home mandates as an instrument for social distancing, we find that measures taken to promote social distancing helped curb infections in high income counties but not in low income counties. These results have important policy implications for containing the spread of infectious diseases in the future." (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7756168/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7756168/)
      - imwillofficial 5y ago
        Thank you
    - another_sock 5y ago
      You're right, and I and you know you're right, but you're also banging your head against a brick wall. The only real thing for sane people to do at this point is to just live our lives and let these people pave the road to hell they'll unhappily run down. These are not rational minds and they get less rational with every day. Time to disconnect from them and live a healthy, happy, positive, non neurotic life tbh.
  - imwillofficial 5y ago
    No I would like a citation that Covid affects minorities more. Your logic is sound, but that doesn’t mean reality reflects that.
_red 5y ago
High vaccination rates will only exert selection pressure on the virus causing new mutation strains to become dominant. How is this not understood? Vaccines should only be used for targeted at-risk population. Everyone else should strive for natural immunity.
- starlust2 5y ago
  The same selection pressure exists for "natural" immunity.
  - _red 5y ago
    Not exactly. Natural immunity is more durable and more complete. Vaccines are often "leaky", offering only partial protection against very specific markers. Whereas NI is more comprehensive and long-lasting. "Leaky vaccines" result in catastrophic situations like Marek's disease. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek's_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek's_disease
    - ch4s3 5y ago
      Good thing the mRNA vaccines are at least 90% effective at preventing infection from happening at all from the newer variants.
      - _red 5y ago
        >newer variants Against the original Alpha perhaps. However Delta effectiveness is nowhere near 90%...this is precisely the reason for the push for boosters.
        ch4s3 5y ago
        Excuse me, the correct number seems to be 88%[1] effective against symptomatic COVID from the delta variant after 2 doses vs 95% for the alpha variant. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891 [edit] I'm sure with more data that number might change up or down a little, but it seems in line with other findings.

bobthechef 5y ago

Except they don't want it.

imwillofficial 5y ago

This seriously needs a cite. First time I've heard this claim.

JoshTko 5y ago
You need a citation to understand which part? That poor people most often have service jobs such as retail or food service? That service jobs are higher risk for Covid transmission than white collar jobs? Or that poor people have few resources to address health issues if they get Covid?
- throwitaway1235 5y ago
  I'm not a dev, I just like tech stuff. I say this because I actually work with lower middle class Black and Brown people, though I'm White and lower middle class. Let me explain something to you guys, we worked through each "wave" and didn't really care. We were not "forced" to work. It was never a big deal. The whole "woe is the working class during Covid" was just an excuse for neurotic professional class workers to WFH.
  - mcguire 5y ago
    "We study the spread of COVID-19 infections and deaths by county poverty level in the US. In the beginning of the pandemic, counties with either very low poverty levels or very high poverty levels reported the highest numbers of cases. A U-shaped relationship prevails for counties with high population density while among counties with low population density, only poorer counties report high incidence rates of COVID-19. Second, we discuss the pattern of infections spreading from higher to lower income counties. Third, we show that stay-at-home mandates caused significantly higher reductions in mobility in high income counties that experienced adverse weather shocks than counties that did not. These effects are not present in counties with high poverty rates. Using weather shocks in combination with stay-at-home mandates as an instrument for social distancing, we find that measures taken to promote social distancing helped curb infections in high income counties but not in low income counties. These results have important policy implications for containing the spread of infectious diseases in the future." (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7756168/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7756168/)
    - imwillofficial 5y ago
      Thank you
  - another_sock 5y ago
    You're right, and I and you know you're right, but you're also banging your head against a brick wall. The only real thing for sane people to do at this point is to just live our lives and let these people pave the road to hell they'll unhappily run down. These are not rational minds and they get less rational with every day. Time to disconnect from them and live a healthy, happy, positive, non neurotic life tbh.
- imwillofficial 5y ago
  No I would like a citation that Covid affects minorities more. Your logic is sound, but that doesn’t mean reality reflects that.

_red 5y ago

High vaccination rates will only exert selection pressure on the virus causing new mutation strains to become dominant. How is this not understood? Vaccines should only be used for targeted at-risk population. Everyone else should strive for natural immunity.

starlust2 5y ago
The same selection pressure exists for "natural" immunity.
- _red 5y ago
  Not exactly. Natural immunity is more durable and more complete. Vaccines are often "leaky", offering only partial protection against very specific markers. Whereas NI is more comprehensive and long-lasting. "Leaky vaccines" result in catastrophic situations like Marek's disease. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek's_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek's_disease
  - ch4s3 5y ago
    Good thing the mRNA vaccines are at least 90% effective at preventing infection from happening at all from the newer variants.
    - _red 5y ago
      >newer variants Against the original Alpha perhaps. However Delta effectiveness is nowhere near 90%...this is precisely the reason for the push for boosters.
      - ch4s3 5y ago
        Excuse me, the correct number seems to be 88%[1] effective against symptomatic COVID from the delta variant after 2 doses vs 95% for the alpha variant. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891 [edit] I'm sure with more data that number might change up or down a little, but it seems in line with other findings.