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You can't honestly see the difference between an easily visible piece of clothing versus medical data that many people consider private between them and their p

You can't honestly see the difference between an easily visible piece of clothing versus medical data that many people consider private between them and their physician(s)? There is zero chance this is a good faith argument.

bob33212 5y ago
Obviously I can see shoes on people's feet easier than I can see antibodies inside someone. But the point isn't how I find out if you are wearing shoes or not. The point is that someone is telling you that you have to do something to your body. Putting on shoes and getting a vaccine are both actions that you may want to decide to do on your own and not have someone else tell you that you have to do.
- rubyist5eva 5y ago
  It's a matter of degrees my guy, and people aren't rabidly frothing at the mouth to eject non-shoe wearers from common society.
  - bob33212 5y ago
    True, And people are not calling businesses that require shoes socialist. Social media is making all these idiots act like the world is ending if someone requires a vaccine or refuses to get the vaccine.
    - rubyist5eva 5y ago
      There's also a difference when a business decides on it's own to mandate shoes, versus a government mandate for all businesses. I would be just as against a government mandate that all private establishments must have a no shirt/no shoes policy. I don't even think a vaccine mandate for private businesses would be constitutional under the first amendment, the courts have recognized multiple times that freedom of association is protected even if it is not explicit in the constitution.
      - bob33212 5y ago
        OK so we are on the same page. If every private business requires a vaccine, the people who don't want to get vaccinated can just do something else other than go to businesses.
        rubyist5eva 5y ago
        I don't think it's that simple for "every private business" to collectively all of a sudden decide that vaccines will be mandatory, "businesses" are not a hive mind and it will be inevitable that "no vaccine required" businesses will prop up to fill the void.
        bob33212 5y ago
        OK, businesses that want to have unvaccinated people in their stores will be able to do that.
        rubyist5eva 5y ago
        Sure. Some are even going so far as to ban vaccinated people from their establishments as well. https://www.newsweek.com/chris-cuomo-tony-roman-clash-bizarre-cnn-interview-you-sound-like-idiot-1614205 https://www.newsweek.com/chris-cuomo-tony-roman-clash-bizarr... I'm not a fan of a divided society like this - it is not a good sign for the long term health of a nation.
        bob33212 5y ago
        I Agree, I wish people would try to find a compromise. Unfortunately the people who choose to not vaccinate will die out and have no voice in the matter.
        rubyist5eva 5y ago
        I don't think the virus is deadly enough for it to come to that. Personally I think the damage to the social order of "free" societies will be worse.

bob33212 5y ago

Obviously I can see shoes on people's feet easier than I can see antibodies inside someone. But the point isn't how I find out if you are wearing shoes or not. The point is that someone is telling you that you have to do something to your body. Putting on shoes and getting a vaccine are both actions that you may want to decide to do on your own and not have someone else tell you that you have to do.

rubyist5eva 5y ago
It's a matter of degrees my guy, and people aren't rabidly frothing at the mouth to eject non-shoe wearers from common society.
- bob33212 5y ago
  True, And people are not calling businesses that require shoes socialist. Social media is making all these idiots act like the world is ending if someone requires a vaccine or refuses to get the vaccine.
  - rubyist5eva 5y ago
    There's also a difference when a business decides on it's own to mandate shoes, versus a government mandate for all businesses. I would be just as against a government mandate that all private establishments must have a no shirt/no shoes policy. I don't even think a vaccine mandate for private businesses would be constitutional under the first amendment, the courts have recognized multiple times that freedom of association is protected even if it is not explicit in the constitution.
    - bob33212 5y ago
      OK so we are on the same page. If every private business requires a vaccine, the people who don't want to get vaccinated can just do something else other than go to businesses.
      - rubyist5eva 5y ago
        I don't think it's that simple for "every private business" to collectively all of a sudden decide that vaccines will be mandatory, "businesses" are not a hive mind and it will be inevitable that "no vaccine required" businesses will prop up to fill the void.
        bob33212 5y ago
        OK, businesses that want to have unvaccinated people in their stores will be able to do that.
        rubyist5eva 5y ago
        Sure. Some are even going so far as to ban vaccinated people from their establishments as well. https://www.newsweek.com/chris-cuomo-tony-roman-clash-bizarre-cnn-interview-you-sound-like-idiot-1614205 https://www.newsweek.com/chris-cuomo-tony-roman-clash-bizarr... I'm not a fan of a divided society like this - it is not a good sign for the long term health of a nation.
        bob33212 5y ago
        I Agree, I wish people would try to find a compromise. Unfortunately the people who choose to not vaccinate will die out and have no voice in the matter.
        rubyist5eva 5y ago
        I don't think the virus is deadly enough for it to come to that. Personally I think the damage to the social order of "free" societies will be worse.