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But we're okay requiring masks, and we're okay putting the onus on businesses to enforce that. I'd much rather enforce vaccinations than masks.

polote 5y ago
It more or less made sense to require masks when people where unvaccinated. But now there is no reason to be OK to require masks either unless you are for mask wearing mandate for everything, everywhere, all the time
- giantg2 5y ago
  "It more or less made sense to require masks when people where unvaccinated. But now there is no reason to be OK to require masks either unless you are for mask wearing mandate for everything, everywhere, all the time" Well, CDC is saying even vaccinated people should be masking. So it seems we are moving to a public-space mask everywhere all the time.
  - coccinelle 5y ago
    I think CDC is saying vaccinated people should be masking, because they may still transmit the virus to all the unvacinated out there that have a much higher likelihood of ending up at the hospital should they get infected. If all were vaccinated, transmission would be much less of a problem (since risk of acute symptoms would be way lowered) and I'm not sure the CDC would mandate masks.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      If that's true though, then the argument frequently given about requiring vaccinations to prevent mutation is not very strong if vaccinated people are still infectious hosts. So it seems the need to masks even with vaccination exists.
      - asdff 5y ago
        The CDC doesn't care about cases, they care about hospitalizations, and 99% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated people. If everyone is vaccinated and the virus is passing freely, the CDC couldn't care less because very few people would be going to the hospital. Just like how we don't mandate masks for the common cold, since that doesn't overload our hospital system like COVID has.
        giantg2 5y ago
        "If everyone is vaccinated and the virus is passing freely, the CDC couldn't care less because very few people would be going to the hospital." The CDC does worry about infections due to the risk of escaped mutants. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-covid-19-only-a-few-mutations-away-from-evading-vaccines/ar-AAMFzhQ https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-covid-19-only-a...
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trident5000 5y ago
Or you could...require neither at this point in time. If you're worried about covid then get the vaccination. For people who want to take a risk, let them do it. I have the vaccine so why do I care if Im around people that have covid? We believe in science right?
- admax88q 5y ago
  You believe in science? Great! What does the science tell you about the risks to vaccinated individuals when exposed to other vaccinated individuals or to non vaccinated individuals?
  - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
    ...that they’re really darn low either way! Not zero, and with very bad consequences if you win the lottery, but if you’re vaccinated (or younger than 12) you should be more concerned about the flu!
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polote 5y ago

It more or less made sense to require masks when people where unvaccinated. But now there is no reason to be OK to require masks either unless you are for mask wearing mandate for everything, everywhere, all the time

giantg2 5y ago
"It more or less made sense to require masks when people where unvaccinated. But now there is no reason to be OK to require masks either unless you are for mask wearing mandate for everything, everywhere, all the time" Well, CDC is saying even vaccinated people should be masking. So it seems we are moving to a public-space mask everywhere all the time.
- coccinelle 5y ago
  I think CDC is saying vaccinated people should be masking, because they may still transmit the virus to all the unvacinated out there that have a much higher likelihood of ending up at the hospital should they get infected. If all were vaccinated, transmission would be much less of a problem (since risk of acute symptoms would be way lowered) and I'm not sure the CDC would mandate masks.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    If that's true though, then the argument frequently given about requiring vaccinations to prevent mutation is not very strong if vaccinated people are still infectious hosts. So it seems the need to masks even with vaccination exists.
    - asdff 5y ago
      The CDC doesn't care about cases, they care about hospitalizations, and 99% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated people. If everyone is vaccinated and the virus is passing freely, the CDC couldn't care less because very few people would be going to the hospital. Just like how we don't mandate masks for the common cold, since that doesn't overload our hospital system like COVID has.
      - giantg2 5y ago
        "If everyone is vaccinated and the virus is passing freely, the CDC couldn't care less because very few people would be going to the hospital." The CDC does worry about infections due to the risk of escaped mutants. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-covid-19-only-a-few-mutations-away-from-evading-vaccines/ar-AAMFzhQ https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-covid-19-only-a...
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trident5000 5y ago

Or you could...require neither at this point in time. If you're worried about covid then get the vaccination. For people who want to take a risk, let them do it. I have the vaccine so why do I care if Im around people that have covid? We believe in science right?

admax88q 5y ago
You believe in science? Great! What does the science tell you about the risks to vaccinated individuals when exposed to other vaccinated individuals or to non vaccinated individuals?
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  ...that they’re really darn low either way! Not zero, and with very bad consequences if you win the lottery, but if you’re vaccinated (or younger than 12) you should be more concerned about the flu!
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