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The tweet: «#CCP made fighting #COVID-19 plan B. Only to be executed if Plan A – covering it up – fails. Those are the actions of paranoid cowards. They neither

by aritmo 5y ago

The tweet: «#CCP made fighting #COVID-19 plan B. Only to be executed if Plan A – covering it up – fails. Those are the actions of paranoid cowards. They neither deserve my respect nor gratitude #ChinaLiedPeopleDied» That is QAnon-class.

MattGaiser 5y ago
Wouldn't a successful cover up necessitate fighting it? Maybe with insufficient resources to avoid attracting attention, but you couldn't let the virus rage.
shapefrog 5y ago
You have to be smart to get a doctorate ... this tweet is dumb. Although I am sure his 10 followers were relieved to get insight into his thinking on the subject.
- lazyeye 5y ago
  Why is it dumb and what does the number of followers have to do with anything? If he had more followers does that mean his tweet was more accurate?
  - shapefrog 5y ago
    Blurting our thoughts out into the ether, be they smart or dumb thoughts is a pretty stupid thing to do. One does not 'contribute to the conversation' when they tweet, inform people or do anythign of any real benefit to society. Indeed, everyone rushing onto twitter to give their opinion about every single happening in the world might actually be the source of many of the worlds problems at this particular time. Hell, even writing and posting this comment is stupid. Upside, the few people who I know and follow me see some considered take I have about something, which becuase they actually know me they knew anyway. Downside, I say something utterly stupid, it 'goes viral' or gets indexed and one day someone pulls it out and says 'hey look this guy is a piece of shit'.
    - lazyeye 5y ago
      "Blurting our thoughts out into the ether, be they smart or dumb thoughts is a pretty stupid thing to do." Not sure how to respond to this.
      - shapefrog 5y ago
        Go browse twitter; there are 500million tweets sent ech day, occasionally something worthwhile gets said, sadly the vast majority not worthwhile.
    - malcolmgreaves 5y ago
      > everyone rushing onto twitter to give their opinion about every single happening Replace Twitter with Hacker News and we have this entire thread. Your original comment on the article is equivalent to: > Blurting our thoughts out into the ether, It's a lone comment until someone sees it and decides to engage with it.
      - shapefrog 5y ago
        I 100% agree. > Hell, even writing and posting this comment is stupid. Upside, nobody sees it, those that do dont care or you get some juicy internet upvotes. Downside, your employer who you commented on sees it.
jsiepkes 5y ago
In the west (very generally speaking) you alert your superiors real fast in case of problems. Mostly to cover your own behind (by making other people complicit). In the east (again, very generally speaking) you alert your superiors only when you yourself are in way over your head. Failing means losing face. In power structures where there is a single entity which controls all the high level positions (ie. a single party) the incentive to bury problems becomes real high. So I guess it might actually be not that inaccurate.
marcusverus 5y ago
Well, there are documented instances where agents of the state were attempting to silence whistleblowers. Presumably he's referring to Li Wenliang's experience of being "punished" by authorities for "spreading rumors" in January 2020.[0] Or the experience of Li's colleague, Ai Fen, who "On Jan 2, 2020...was summoned by.. the party chief of Wuhan Central Hospital, who terrified her into silence with verbal threats."[1] That's hardly grounds for accusations of a grand conspiracy, but then, China has a track record of literally burying evidence that makes them look bad[2]... [0]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/19/818295972/chinese-authorities-admit-improper-response-to-coronavirus-whistleblower https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0... [1]https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/07/wuhan-coronavirus-covid-anniversary-interviews/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/07/wuhan-coronavirus-covid... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenzhou_train_collision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenzhou_train_collision

by aritmo 5y ago

MattGaiser 5y ago

Wouldn't a successful cover up necessitate fighting it? Maybe with insufficient resources to avoid attracting attention, but you couldn't let the virus rage.

shapefrog 5y ago

You have to be smart to get a doctorate ... this tweet is dumb. Although I am sure his 10 followers were relieved to get insight into his thinking on the subject.

lazyeye 5y ago
Why is it dumb and what does the number of followers have to do with anything? If he had more followers does that mean his tweet was more accurate?
- shapefrog 5y ago
  Blurting our thoughts out into the ether, be they smart or dumb thoughts is a pretty stupid thing to do. One does not 'contribute to the conversation' when they tweet, inform people or do anythign of any real benefit to society. Indeed, everyone rushing onto twitter to give their opinion about every single happening in the world might actually be the source of many of the worlds problems at this particular time. Hell, even writing and posting this comment is stupid. Upside, the few people who I know and follow me see some considered take I have about something, which becuase they actually know me they knew anyway. Downside, I say something utterly stupid, it 'goes viral' or gets indexed and one day someone pulls it out and says 'hey look this guy is a piece of shit'.
  - lazyeye 5y ago
    "Blurting our thoughts out into the ether, be they smart or dumb thoughts is a pretty stupid thing to do." Not sure how to respond to this.
    - shapefrog 5y ago
      Go browse twitter; there are 500million tweets sent ech day, occasionally something worthwhile gets said, sadly the vast majority not worthwhile.
  - malcolmgreaves 5y ago
    > everyone rushing onto twitter to give their opinion about every single happening Replace Twitter with Hacker News and we have this entire thread. Your original comment on the article is equivalent to: > Blurting our thoughts out into the ether, It's a lone comment until someone sees it and decides to engage with it.
    - shapefrog 5y ago
      I 100% agree. > Hell, even writing and posting this comment is stupid. Upside, nobody sees it, those that do dont care or you get some juicy internet upvotes. Downside, your employer who you commented on sees it.

jsiepkes 5y ago

In the west (very generally speaking) you alert your superiors real fast in case of problems. Mostly to cover your own behind (by making other people complicit). In the east (again, very generally speaking) you alert your superiors only when you yourself are in way over your head. Failing means losing face. In power structures where there is a single entity which controls all the high level positions (ie. a single party) the incentive to bury problems becomes real high. So I guess it might actually be not that inaccurate.

marcusverus 5y ago

Well, there are documented instances where agents of the state were attempting to silence whistleblowers. Presumably he's referring to Li Wenliang's experience of being "punished" by authorities for "spreading rumors" in January 2020.[0] Or the experience of Li's colleague, Ai Fen, who "On Jan 2, 2020...was summoned by.. the party chief of Wuhan Central Hospital, who terrified her into silence with verbal threats."[1] That's hardly grounds for accusations of a grand conspiracy, but then, China has a track record of literally burying evidence that makes them look bad[2]... [0]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/19/818295972/chinese-authorities-admit-improper-response-to-coronavirus-whistleblower https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0... [1]https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/07/wuhan-coronavirus-covid-anniversary-interviews/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/07/wuhan-coronavirus-covid... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenzhou_train_collision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenzhou_train_collision