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Well, what can I say, I am sorry. I am sorry for having to do this and wish things were different But it is the only way I can shed light on Apple's behavior.

Well, what can I say, I am sorry. I am sorry for having to do this and wish things were different But it is the only way I can shed light on Apple's behavior. I promise to add a transition mechanism, happy? I will still make sure users get to read some "Apple bad" message to highlight the reason behind Apple ID not being straightforward on the web

BugsJustFindMe 5y ago
> But it is the only way I can shed light on Apple's behavior. It still sounds like Apple's behavior is 100% good for users and your behavior is not. You wanting to circumvent things that are positive for users makes you as a developer look extremely bad (user-hostile). I don't know what else I can say if you don't want to hear it.
- collaborative 5y ago
  Sure, I don't expect you to empathize with me as a developer. The point is, if you let this go unchecked for developers, it will spread to as many areas as they can get away with, in the name of what is "good for users". The EU's anti-trust probe is already looking into this. Have a good day
- wayneftw 5y ago
  It's not 100% good though :) I'm a user and I wouldn't touch "signin with Apple" with a 10 foot pole. That's waaaay too much lock-in.
  - BugsJustFindMe 5y ago
    > I'm a user and I wouldn't touch "signin with Apple" with a 10 foot pole. For Apple device owners there's significant upside and little-to-no downside. You not wanting to use it doesn't mean that it isn't 100% good for Apple device users. > That's waaaay too much lock-in. If the app developer cared, they'd give you a way to migrate your credentials. Anyway, you don't have to use it if you don't want to. Apple just makes it so that you have the _option_ to. But you should at least recognize that it's the only given option that allows people to use the service without giving away their email address to random app developers. That's a huge privacy win for users.
    - wayneftw 5y ago
      > Anyway, you don't have to use it if you don't want to. As a developer? Oh yes I do! That's exactly what we're talking about. And it's not going to fly for very long because Apple has over half of the smart phone users in the United States. This is the reason we have anti-trust laws. They're going to be knocked down a few notches soon in my opinion. That I can't build an app business in the United States without going through Apple is a problem.

BugsJustFindMe 5y ago

> But it is the only way I can shed light on Apple's behavior. It still sounds like Apple's behavior is 100% good for users and your behavior is not. You wanting to circumvent things that are positive for users makes you as a developer look extremely bad (user-hostile). I don't know what else I can say if you don't want to hear it.

collaborative 5y ago
Sure, I don't expect you to empathize with me as a developer. The point is, if you let this go unchecked for developers, it will spread to as many areas as they can get away with, in the name of what is "good for users". The EU's anti-trust probe is already looking into this. Have a good day
wayneftw 5y ago
It's not 100% good though :) I'm a user and I wouldn't touch "signin with Apple" with a 10 foot pole. That's waaaay too much lock-in.
- BugsJustFindMe 5y ago
  > I'm a user and I wouldn't touch "signin with Apple" with a 10 foot pole. For Apple device owners there's significant upside and little-to-no downside. You not wanting to use it doesn't mean that it isn't 100% good for Apple device users. > That's waaaay too much lock-in. If the app developer cared, they'd give you a way to migrate your credentials. Anyway, you don't have to use it if you don't want to. Apple just makes it so that you have the _option_ to. But you should at least recognize that it's the only given option that allows people to use the service without giving away their email address to random app developers. That's a huge privacy win for users.
  - wayneftw 5y ago
    > Anyway, you don't have to use it if you don't want to. As a developer? Oh yes I do! That's exactly what we're talking about. And it's not going to fly for very long because Apple has over half of the smart phone users in the United States. This is the reason we have anti-trust laws. They're going to be knocked down a few notches soon in my opinion. That I can't build an app business in the United States without going through Apple is a problem.