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This is arguing pedantics. Trump is not the fda. Trump was never going to 'approve' a vaccine without fda. This sort of fear mongering is responsible for a lot

This is arguing pedantics. Trump is not the fda. Trump was never going to 'approve' a vaccine without fda. This sort of fear mongering is responsible for a lot of vaccine hesitancy

myko 5y ago
It really is not, he was pushing disproven treatments at the time (hydroxychloroquine) which many people still think is a valid treatment today. It is clear from the data on who is getting vaccinated that folks who voted trump tend to be less likely to be vaccinated. I doubt they're hesitant because of Vice President Kamala Harris' reasonable words.
- iammisc 5y ago
  It's not at all clear this is political unless you're talking with someone who clearly benefits from the political narrative. Take Alabama, a state with the lowest vaccination rates. In Alabama, blacks and whites are on different sides of the political aisle, yet their vaccination rates are.... The same. Income, profession, location and education correlate better with vaccination rates than anything.. In general democrats are wealthier than republicans so it is no surprise that they have higher vaccination rates. Even amongst dems, if you look at the poorer factions which are mainly their nom white factions, vax rates are similarly low. https://taibbi.substack.com/p/vaccine-success-media-misery-is-good-aad https://taibbi.substack.com/p/vaccine-success-media-misery-i...
  - myko 5y ago
    The data is clear if you look at vaccination rates per county: https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates-is-growing/ https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covi... My suspicion is this stems from trump's poor handling of COVID and downplaying the threat of the virus from the beginning, Vox goes into more detail: https://www.vox.com/2021/7/6/22554198/political-polarization-vaccine-covid-19-coronavirus https://www.vox.com/2021/7/6/22554198/political-polarization... Based on polling, conservatives are less likely to even consider vaccination: "while Republicans, rural residents, and White Evangelical Christians continue to be disproportionately more likely to say they will definitely not get vaccinated." - https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-june-2021/ https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-co... Thankfully the trend might be changing, folks like Steve Scalise who initially declined the vaccine received the shot and is now advocating for it, but we don't know if this has helped convince conservatives to vaccinate yet as he only did this in July: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/02/republicans-endorse-vaccines-effective/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/02/republican... This shift among conservative leaders and media has only happened in the last month or so, The Atlantic did a piece on this: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/fox-news-conservatives-vaccines-sean-hannity/619510/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/fox-news-c... > In general democrats are wealthier than republicans so it is no surprise that they have higher vaccination rates. The vaccine is free. The correlation on vaccination rates to how counties voted is a much stronger relationship than income. The data lines up with my anecdotal experience as well. The folks I know who are antivax and taking hydroxychloroquine are extremely conservative. When they've talked about their viewpoints they point to Fox and trump as trusted sources on the topic. You could make an argument that college education plays a large role in whether or not folks are antivax, those numbers closely align with party identification though so I'm not sure that's useful: "There remains a large gap in vaccine uptake across education, with about eight in ten college graduates (79%) saying they have gotten at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, compared to about six in ten adults without a degree who say the same (59%)" - https://kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-june-2021/ https://kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-...

This is arguing pedantics. Trump is not the fda. Trump was never going to 'approve' a vaccine without fda. This sort of fear mongering is responsible for a lot of vaccine hesitancy

myko 5y ago

It really is not, he was pushing disproven treatments at the time (hydroxychloroquine) which many people still think is a valid treatment today. It is clear from the data on who is getting vaccinated that folks who voted trump tend to be less likely to be vaccinated. I doubt they're hesitant because of Vice President Kamala Harris' reasonable words.

iammisc 5y ago
It's not at all clear this is political unless you're talking with someone who clearly benefits from the political narrative. Take Alabama, a state with the lowest vaccination rates. In Alabama, blacks and whites are on different sides of the political aisle, yet their vaccination rates are.... The same. Income, profession, location and education correlate better with vaccination rates than anything.. In general democrats are wealthier than republicans so it is no surprise that they have higher vaccination rates. Even amongst dems, if you look at the poorer factions which are mainly their nom white factions, vax rates are similarly low. https://taibbi.substack.com/p/vaccine-success-media-misery-is-good-aad https://taibbi.substack.com/p/vaccine-success-media-misery-i...
- myko 5y ago
  The data is clear if you look at vaccination rates per county: https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates-is-growing/ https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covi... My suspicion is this stems from trump's poor handling of COVID and downplaying the threat of the virus from the beginning, Vox goes into more detail: https://www.vox.com/2021/7/6/22554198/political-polarization-vaccine-covid-19-coronavirus https://www.vox.com/2021/7/6/22554198/political-polarization... Based on polling, conservatives are less likely to even consider vaccination: "while Republicans, rural residents, and White Evangelical Christians continue to be disproportionately more likely to say they will definitely not get vaccinated." - https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-june-2021/ https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-co... Thankfully the trend might be changing, folks like Steve Scalise who initially declined the vaccine received the shot and is now advocating for it, but we don't know if this has helped convince conservatives to vaccinate yet as he only did this in July: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/02/republicans-endorse-vaccines-effective/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/02/republican... This shift among conservative leaders and media has only happened in the last month or so, The Atlantic did a piece on this: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/fox-news-conservatives-vaccines-sean-hannity/619510/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/fox-news-c... > In general democrats are wealthier than republicans so it is no surprise that they have higher vaccination rates. The vaccine is free. The correlation on vaccination rates to how counties voted is a much stronger relationship than income. The data lines up with my anecdotal experience as well. The folks I know who are antivax and taking hydroxychloroquine are extremely conservative. When they've talked about their viewpoints they point to Fox and trump as trusted sources on the topic. You could make an argument that college education plays a large role in whether or not folks are antivax, those numbers closely align with party identification though so I'm not sure that's useful: "There remains a large gap in vaccine uptake across education, with about eight in ten college graduates (79%) saying they have gotten at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, compared to about six in ten adults without a degree who say the same (59%)" - https://kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-june-2021/ https://kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-...