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> Apple users are happy that they forced you. As an Apple user I'm not happy they forced this. It's manipulative forcing even more platform lock-in for the ave

> Apple users are happy that they forced you. As an Apple user I'm not happy they forced this. It's manipulative forcing even more platform lock-in for the average joe which empowers other anti-trust practices too. You're argument that an Apple user is happy at the point of use doesn't justify anti-trust behaviour which is to the overall detriment of people. Apple seem to get away with far too much just because they're 'Apple'. Imagine the mess we would be in if every auth provider had the same policy.

elzbardico 5y ago
Your position would make sense if besides forcing the implementation of Apple Id, Apple forbade the use of any other authentication method. This is not the case. You can even offer google authentication in your app. You can also move to android and authenticate to the same app still using apple id, the developer can also offer the chance to link this existing account with another credential. So, there's absolutely no lock-in. And indeed most apple users are happy with that, as it gave me the choice not to have to keep using google or facebook authentication.
pokot0 5y ago
I understand your anti-trust point and I agree to some extent. But this is not something you can blame on Apple. You need to go to your politicians. You can't expect a company to self-regulate its dominance position. In general I believe a much better way of dealing with this form of dominance is taxing the dominant companies agressively and use that money to fund open source competition.
- InsomniacL 5y ago
  Isn't this how it works though...? Company 'X' abuses the trust it's given to self regulate it's dominant position and forces 'Y' application on all it's 'Z' platform users. X, Y, Z could be Apple, AppleID, and iPhone or Microsoft, Internet Explorer, and Windows. Microsoft received a $611 fine in the EU for abusing it's Monopoly of control with Windows back in 2004 but it took many years to get there.

elzbardico 5y ago

Your position would make sense if besides forcing the implementation of Apple Id, Apple forbade the use of any other authentication method. This is not the case. You can even offer google authentication in your app. You can also move to android and authenticate to the same app still using apple id, the developer can also offer the chance to link this existing account with another credential. So, there's absolutely no lock-in. And indeed most apple users are happy with that, as it gave me the choice not to have to keep using google or facebook authentication.

pokot0 5y ago

I understand your anti-trust point and I agree to some extent. But this is not something you can blame on Apple. You need to go to your politicians. You can't expect a company to self-regulate its dominance position. In general I believe a much better way of dealing with this form of dominance is taxing the dominant companies agressively and use that money to fund open source competition.

InsomniacL 5y ago
Isn't this how it works though...? Company 'X' abuses the trust it's given to self regulate it's dominant position and forces 'Y' application on all it's 'Z' platform users. X, Y, Z could be Apple, AppleID, and iPhone or Microsoft, Internet Explorer, and Windows. Microsoft received a $611 fine in the EU for abusing it's Monopoly of control with Windows back in 2004 but it took many years to get there.