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I challenge you to sign up (with Apple ID if you wish) and see for yourself how many emails you get. Otherwise you're accusing without evidence I don't challen

I challenge you to sign up (with Apple ID if you wish) and see for yourself how many emails you get. Otherwise you're accusing without evidence I don't challenge that Apple ID is a good thing. I protest Apple's method of implementation

spacedcowboy 5y ago
Why would I do that ? I already distrust you based on your own words...
- johnny_b_g 5y ago
  So you admit to accusing without evidence.
  - spacedcowboy 5y ago
    I admit to distrust. I distrust anyone who tries to downplay privacy as important. I distrust anyone who tries to brand a genuine privacy upgrade as "hype" And, frankly, signing in (with AppleID or not) doesn't prove a thing one way or another. The OP could be simply harvesting email addresses and selling them off later[+]. (S)he could be upset that HME and SIWA are a threat to that business. Far-fetched ? Sure. More far-fetched than an adult throwing the tantrum on the website ? Not so sure... Or another option along the same lines. Perhaps OP has another more-public site that (s)he doesn't want to take this stand on for PR reasons, so they're doing it here, and getting "awareness" out there by submitting to places like HN. In that case, sure, there'd be no email abuse on the <don't care about> site... There's a few other options that are possible. None of these get around the basic premise that privacy on the net is important (at least to me, YMMV) and I don't trust those who decry it. [+] Tesla does this, for example. All of a sudden, a couple of years after buying power walls, I'm getting emails to Tesla@<my-domain> and texts containing Tesla@<my-domain> to my phone number (which I usually obscure using google-voice) asking if they can give me mortgage offers (for example). Tesla sold my details when I stopped buying expensive stuff from them - this is why I set up a catch-all address, and used <company>@<my-domain> whenever I signed up for stuff. Now I use HME.
    - johnny_b_g 5y ago
      Yup, Apple fanboiz always be deflecting. No wonder Apple doesn't need a marketing/PR dept - the fanboiz will happily come to Apple's rescue for free!
      - spacedcowboy 5y ago
        It's funny - it always seems those who use "fanboiz" or other collective terms akin, always seem to be projecting... They don't seem to be able to grasp that maybe there are different viewpoints in this world. Maybe that's even a good thing, and perhaps denigrating entire swathes of people as "fanboiz" says more about the person doing it than about the people they're complaining about. Just maybe.
        johnny_b_g 5y ago
        >They don't seem to be able to grasp that maybe there are different viewpoints in this world You mean like you're doing? Kettle, meet Pot.
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      - moogleii 5y ago
        Ah, the lazy argument.
    - johnny_b_g 5y ago
      LOL @ Apple fanboiz' privacy arguments: https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanning/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanni...
    - johnny_b_g 5y ago
      >I distrust anyone who tries to brand a genuine privacy upgrade as "hype" I particularly like this Apple fanboi argument - that having a third party (Apple) needlessly involved is somehow more "private" than only just the 2 primary parties being involved. >I'm a Brit Well I guess that explains a lot then - you're probably one of those that also voted for brexit, but now completely denies it - right?
HWR_14 5y ago
> I challenge you to sign up (with Apple ID if you wish) and see for yourself how many emails you get. Otherwise you're accusing without evidence Maybe you're a good developer. And? How many sites on the internet do you think I'll have to trust before it backfires? > I protest Apple's method of implementation How else could it have been implemented that would have led to any reasonable adoption rate?

spacedcowboy 5y ago

Why would I do that ? I already distrust you based on your own words...

johnny_b_g 5y ago
So you admit to accusing without evidence.
- spacedcowboy 5y ago
  I admit to distrust. I distrust anyone who tries to downplay privacy as important. I distrust anyone who tries to brand a genuine privacy upgrade as "hype" And, frankly, signing in (with AppleID or not) doesn't prove a thing one way or another. The OP could be simply harvesting email addresses and selling them off later[+]. (S)he could be upset that HME and SIWA are a threat to that business. Far-fetched ? Sure. More far-fetched than an adult throwing the tantrum on the website ? Not so sure... Or another option along the same lines. Perhaps OP has another more-public site that (s)he doesn't want to take this stand on for PR reasons, so they're doing it here, and getting "awareness" out there by submitting to places like HN. In that case, sure, there'd be no email abuse on the <don't care about> site... There's a few other options that are possible. None of these get around the basic premise that privacy on the net is important (at least to me, YMMV) and I don't trust those who decry it. [+] Tesla does this, for example. All of a sudden, a couple of years after buying power walls, I'm getting emails to Tesla@<my-domain> and texts containing Tesla@<my-domain> to my phone number (which I usually obscure using google-voice) asking if they can give me mortgage offers (for example). Tesla sold my details when I stopped buying expensive stuff from them - this is why I set up a catch-all address, and used <company>@<my-domain> whenever I signed up for stuff. Now I use HME.
  - johnny_b_g 5y ago
    Yup, Apple fanboiz always be deflecting. No wonder Apple doesn't need a marketing/PR dept - the fanboiz will happily come to Apple's rescue for free!
    - spacedcowboy 5y ago
      It's funny - it always seems those who use "fanboiz" or other collective terms akin, always seem to be projecting... They don't seem to be able to grasp that maybe there are different viewpoints in this world. Maybe that's even a good thing, and perhaps denigrating entire swathes of people as "fanboiz" says more about the person doing it than about the people they're complaining about. Just maybe.
      - johnny_b_g 5y ago
        >They don't seem to be able to grasp that maybe there are different viewpoints in this world You mean like you're doing? Kettle, meet Pot.
      - deleted 5y ago
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    - moogleii 5y ago
      Ah, the lazy argument.
  - johnny_b_g 5y ago
    LOL @ Apple fanboiz' privacy arguments: https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanning/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/05/apple-icloud-photos-scanni...
  - johnny_b_g 5y ago
    >I distrust anyone who tries to brand a genuine privacy upgrade as "hype" I particularly like this Apple fanboi argument - that having a third party (Apple) needlessly involved is somehow more "private" than only just the 2 primary parties being involved. >I'm a Brit Well I guess that explains a lot then - you're probably one of those that also voted for brexit, but now completely denies it - right?

HWR_14 5y ago

> I challenge you to sign up (with Apple ID if you wish) and see for yourself how many emails you get. Otherwise you're accusing without evidence Maybe you're a good developer. And? How many sites on the internet do you think I'll have to trust before it backfires? > I protest Apple's method of implementation How else could it have been implemented that would have led to any reasonable adoption rate?