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You are out of touch. Large parts of the country do not believe that COVID is 'not real'. Such characterizations are wild exaggerations. And IIRC, in the last

You are out of touch. Large parts of the country do not believe that COVID is 'not real'. Such characterizations are wild exaggerations. And IIRC, in the last administration, large swaths of the country had no trust in anything they did. For example, the current VP said she would not take a vaccine developed under the previous administration. Ultimately, CDC knows that the country is incredibly divided politically and should adjust its message accordingly. That was true for the previous admin, and it's true for this one.

m-watson 5y ago
I agree, in the end the CDC knows that there are a lot of hurdles to get the information across and will have to adjust. That is really all they can do. A small sticking point is now VP Harris didn't say she won't take the vaccine developed under the previous administration, she said she doesn't trust Trump and would listen do public health experts [0]. She was concerned they would be "muzzled," but was later assured and re-iterated her point on a later interview [1]. [0] https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kamala-harris-says-she-w... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-tr...
mikeyouse 5y ago
What Kamala actually said in the context of reports that Trump was leaning on the FDA to approve the vaccine.. She's decidedly not refusing to "take a vaccine developed under the previous administration": > Susan Page (Debate moderator): > No, no, you’re Senator Harris to me. For life to get back to normal, Dr. Anthony Fauci and other experts say that most of the people who can be vaccinated need to be vaccinated. But half of Americans now say they wouldn’t take a vaccine if it was released now. If the Trump administration approves a vaccine before or after the election, should Americans take it, and would you take it? > Kamala Harris: > If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it.
myko 5y ago
I'll not argue some of the other points you mentioned but it is incorrect to say VP Harris said she would not take a vaccine developed under the previous administration - she said she would not take trump's word on it, but would trust the experts instead: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-tr... Seems extremely reasonable to me - I wouldn't trust Kamala Harris' word alone on the efficacy of a vaccine either, I'd trust the science!
- iammisc 5y ago
  This is arguing pedantics. Trump is not the fda. Trump was never going to 'approve' a vaccine without fda. This sort of fear mongering is responsible for a lot of vaccine hesitancy
  - myko 5y ago
    It really is not, he was pushing disproven treatments at the time (hydroxychloroquine) which many people still think is a valid treatment today. It is clear from the data on who is getting vaccinated that folks who voted trump tend to be less likely to be vaccinated. I doubt they're hesitant because of Vice President Kamala Harris' reasonable words.
    - iammisc 5y ago
      It's not at all clear this is political unless you're talking with someone who clearly benefits from the political narrative. Take Alabama, a state with the lowest vaccination rates. In Alabama, blacks and whites are on different sides of the political aisle, yet their vaccination rates are.... The same. Income, profession, location and education correlate better with vaccination rates than anything.. In general democrats are wealthier than republicans so it is no surprise that they have higher vaccination rates. Even amongst dems, if you look at the poorer factions which are mainly their nom white factions, vax rates are similarly low. https://taibbi.substack.com/p/vaccine-success-media-misery-is-good-aad https://taibbi.substack.com/p/vaccine-success-media-misery-i...
thesausageking 5y ago
I spent much of the last year traveling in places like the pan handle of Florida. Most people I encountered did not believe COVID was any worse than the flu. They were not going to wear masks or socially distance, no matter what "Biden's CDC" said. Having talked to dozens and dozens of people, and watched how different communities behaved, it is definitely real. While my friends in places like SF had to wait months to get a shot, I walked into a grocery store and got one without any waiting. The maskless women who gave it to me was surprised I was there because I was the only person under 70 she had seen come in.
- iammisc 5y ago
  Believing covid is as bad as the flu implies believing covid exists. The original claim was that large swaths of the public don't believe the virus exists. That is ridiculous. If the claim was large swaths of the public believe it to be as dangerous as the flu, then that's different and changes the meaning. And with regards to the age group you're referring, the under 70s. For young people, covid really is no more dangerous than the flu.
  - thesausageking 5y ago
    oh, man. You're a denier? I don't know what to say. I've lost a lot of people in my life to COVID, many were under 70, one in his 30s. I know you're unlikely to take advice from an internet stranger, but I do hope you get vaccinated and reconsider your position.
    - iammisc 5y ago
      I don't deny covid at all. I am vaccinated, and was first in line . What I am not is a fear mongerer. The data show that if you're young and without preexisting conditions your chances of survival without hospitalization are excellent. I'm sorry you've lost friends, but just because I've also lost friends to mild diseases, like the common cold or common bacteria, doesn't mean I need to tell people who don't think a cold is a big deal that they're a cold denier. That's anti science nonsense
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m-watson 5y ago

I agree, in the end the CDC knows that there are a lot of hurdles to get the information across and will have to adjust. That is really all they can do. A small sticking point is now VP Harris didn't say she won't take the vaccine developed under the previous administration, she said she doesn't trust Trump and would listen do public health experts [0]. She was concerned they would be "muzzled," but was later assured and re-iterated her point on a later interview [1]. [0] https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kamala-harris-says-she-w... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-tr...

mikeyouse 5y ago

What Kamala actually said in the context of reports that Trump was leaning on the FDA to approve the vaccine.. She's decidedly not refusing to "take a vaccine developed under the previous administration": > Susan Page (Debate moderator): > No, no, you’re Senator Harris to me. For life to get back to normal, Dr. Anthony Fauci and other experts say that most of the people who can be vaccinated need to be vaccinated. But half of Americans now say they wouldn’t take a vaccine if it was released now. If the Trump administration approves a vaccine before or after the election, should Americans take it, and would you take it? > Kamala Harris: > If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it.

myko 5y ago

I'll not argue some of the other points you mentioned but it is incorrect to say VP Harris said she would not take a vaccine developed under the previous administration - she said she would not take trump's word on it, but would trust the experts instead: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-tr... Seems extremely reasonable to me - I wouldn't trust Kamala Harris' word alone on the efficacy of a vaccine either, I'd trust the science!

iammisc 5y ago
This is arguing pedantics. Trump is not the fda. Trump was never going to 'approve' a vaccine without fda. This sort of fear mongering is responsible for a lot of vaccine hesitancy
- myko 5y ago
  It really is not, he was pushing disproven treatments at the time (hydroxychloroquine) which many people still think is a valid treatment today. It is clear from the data on who is getting vaccinated that folks who voted trump tend to be less likely to be vaccinated. I doubt they're hesitant because of Vice President Kamala Harris' reasonable words.
  - iammisc 5y ago
    It's not at all clear this is political unless you're talking with someone who clearly benefits from the political narrative. Take Alabama, a state with the lowest vaccination rates. In Alabama, blacks and whites are on different sides of the political aisle, yet their vaccination rates are.... The same. Income, profession, location and education correlate better with vaccination rates than anything.. In general democrats are wealthier than republicans so it is no surprise that they have higher vaccination rates. Even amongst dems, if you look at the poorer factions which are mainly their nom white factions, vax rates are similarly low. https://taibbi.substack.com/p/vaccine-success-media-misery-is-good-aad https://taibbi.substack.com/p/vaccine-success-media-misery-i...

thesausageking 5y ago

I spent much of the last year traveling in places like the pan handle of Florida. Most people I encountered did not believe COVID was any worse than the flu. They were not going to wear masks or socially distance, no matter what "Biden's CDC" said. Having talked to dozens and dozens of people, and watched how different communities behaved, it is definitely real. While my friends in places like SF had to wait months to get a shot, I walked into a grocery store and got one without any waiting. The maskless women who gave it to me was surprised I was there because I was the only person under 70 she had seen come in.

iammisc 5y ago
Believing covid is as bad as the flu implies believing covid exists. The original claim was that large swaths of the public don't believe the virus exists. That is ridiculous. If the claim was large swaths of the public believe it to be as dangerous as the flu, then that's different and changes the meaning. And with regards to the age group you're referring, the under 70s. For young people, covid really is no more dangerous than the flu.
- thesausageking 5y ago
  oh, man. You're a denier? I don't know what to say. I've lost a lot of people in my life to COVID, many were under 70, one in his 30s. I know you're unlikely to take advice from an internet stranger, but I do hope you get vaccinated and reconsider your position.
  - iammisc 5y ago
    I don't deny covid at all. I am vaccinated, and was first in line . What I am not is a fear mongerer. The data show that if you're young and without preexisting conditions your chances of survival without hospitalization are excellent. I'm sorry you've lost friends, but just because I've also lost friends to mild diseases, like the common cold or common bacteria, doesn't mean I need to tell people who don't think a cold is a big deal that they're a cold denier. That's anti science nonsense
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