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"criminals should have a second chance and be able to reintegrate into society" Is this not part of the definition of justice? Most crimes (high and low) only

"criminals should have a second chance and be able to reintegrate into society" Is this not part of the definition of justice? Most crimes (high and low) only required some form of punishment and perhaps reform. After the balance has been restored why wouldnt those people fully reintegrate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice

ladyattis 5y ago
The funny thing is that those who keep calling social ostracism cancel culture would probably be opposed to any kind of reintegration of people who have served their time. How many of them would praise George Zimmer's position of giving ex-cons a second chance at employment? I ask this in a rhetorical fashion obviously but it's important since cancel culture or social ostracism is as old as humankind. So in my view, the real problem isn't cancel culture, the problem is that we don't actually have a society that forgives. The Internet just put all that within reach of our fingertips. In the past, it was only the rich or powerful that could wield such control of in/out group action. Today, anyone can game trending algorithms on social media even though our laws have yet to catch up to that fact. If there's anything that can be said it's this: our society needs to stop being vengeful, starting with our legal system. We need to repeal at-will employment or at least reform it. We need to actually support re-integration of ex-convicts as a side issue. And we need to stop being so chronically online.
dolni 5y ago
I didn't say criminals being able to reintegrate was a bad thing. I'm simply pointing out the apparent double-think here.
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  Limitation on legal punishment is one of the critical foundations of any society that could be defined as civilized, so I have trouble agreeing that the morality or consequences of people supporting specifically unjust instances of social shunning begins to approach that, even giving you all the benefit of doubt within reason as to what qualifies as "unjust".

ladyattis 5y ago

The funny thing is that those who keep calling social ostracism cancel culture would probably be opposed to any kind of reintegration of people who have served their time. How many of them would praise George Zimmer's position of giving ex-cons a second chance at employment? I ask this in a rhetorical fashion obviously but it's important since cancel culture or social ostracism is as old as humankind. So in my view, the real problem isn't cancel culture, the problem is that we don't actually have a society that forgives. The Internet just put all that within reach of our fingertips. In the past, it was only the rich or powerful that could wield such control of in/out group action. Today, anyone can game trending algorithms on social media even though our laws have yet to catch up to that fact. If there's anything that can be said it's this: our society needs to stop being vengeful, starting with our legal system. We need to repeal at-will employment or at least reform it. We need to actually support re-integration of ex-convicts as a side issue. And we need to stop being so chronically online.

dolni 5y ago

I didn't say criminals being able to reintegrate was a bad thing. I'm simply pointing out the apparent double-think here.

happytoexplain 5y ago
Limitation on legal punishment is one of the critical foundations of any society that could be defined as civilized, so I have trouble agreeing that the morality or consequences of people supporting specifically unjust instances of social shunning begins to approach that, even giving you all the benefit of doubt within reason as to what qualifies as "unjust".