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The reason "privacy" is in quotes is that some of us have started seeing through what Apple really means every time they use the word. As the EU's Executive Vic

The reason "privacy" is in quotes is that some of us have started seeing through what Apple really means every time they use the word. As the EU's Executive Vice-President Margrethe Vestager has recently said regarding their Apple probe, privacy can't be an excuse to stifle competition. https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/07/02/eu-antitrust-head-warns-against-apple-using-privacy-security-to-stave-off-competition https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/07/02/eu-antitrust-head... All was well because nobody was forcing me (the developer) to include anything I didn't want. Users could still use traditional email signup. You are free to choose whom you trust. If your choice is Apple, well, that is your choice

imwillofficial 5y ago
Including a Facebook login, and even speaking the word privacy should be a crime in my book.
spacedcowboy 5y ago
Indeed it is. And I would choose to trust Apple over some nobody on the internet with a seeming chip on their shoulder (seriously, that post is just cringe) over anyone who promoted Facebook and (to a lesser extent, obviously) Google as sign-in methods. In. A. Heartbeat. You claim (elsewhere) that you only send responsible-sounding emails, but the level of invective in your screed leads me to disbelieve you. Personally, I think HME seems to have been created exactly to cope with people like you - and I’m failing to see this “hype” you talk about. HME makes the value of an email address tend to zero, gives me the ability to cut you off without your agreement (and prevents you from selling my email on afterwards), and places all the control in my domain not yours. That’s simply the truth of the matter, and it’s not hype.
- collaborative 5y ago
  I challenge you to sign up (with Apple ID if you wish) and see for yourself how many emails you get. Otherwise you're accusing without evidence I don't challenge that Apple ID is a good thing. I protest Apple's method of implementation
  - spacedcowboy 5y ago
    Why would I do that ? I already distrust you based on your own words...
    - johnny_b_g 5y ago
      So you admit to accusing without evidence.
      - spacedcowboy 5y ago
        I admit to distrust. I distrust anyone who tries to downplay privacy as important. I distrust anyone who tries to brand a genuine privacy upgrade as "hype" And, frankly, signing in (with AppleID or not) doesn't prove a thing one way or another. The OP could be simply harvesting email addresses and selling them off later[+]. (S)he could be upset that HME and SIWA are a threat to that business. Far-fetched ? Sure. More far-fetched than an adult throwing the tantrum on the website ? Not so sure... Or another option along the same lines. Perhaps OP has another more-public site that (s)he doesn't want to take this stand on for PR reasons, so they're doing it here, and getting "awareness" out there by submitting to places like HN. In that case, sure, there'd be no email abuse on the <don't care about> site... There's a few other options that are possible. None of these get around the basic premise that privacy on the net is important (at least to me, YMMV) and I don't trust those who decry it. [+] Tesla does this, for example. All of a sudden, a couple of years after buying power walls, I'm getting emails to Tesla@<my-domain> and texts containing Tesla@<my-domain> to my phone number (which I usually obscure using google-voice) asking if they can give me mortgage offers (for example). Tesla sold my details when I stopped buying expensive stuff from them - this is why I set up a catch-all address, and used <company>@<my-domain> whenever I signed up for stuff. Now I use HME.
        johnny_b_g 5y ago
        Yup, Apple fanboiz always be deflecting. No wonder Apple doesn't need a marketing/PR dept - the fanboiz will happily come to Apple's rescue for free!
GeekyBear 5y ago
>privacy can't be an excuse to stifle competition Offering Apple as a choice does not remove the customer's ability to use the two biggest names in surveillance capitalism as the "protector" of their privacy.

imwillofficial 5y ago

Including a Facebook login, and even speaking the word privacy should be a crime in my book.

spacedcowboy 5y ago

Indeed it is. And I would choose to trust Apple over some nobody on the internet with a seeming chip on their shoulder (seriously, that post is just cringe) over anyone who promoted Facebook and (to a lesser extent, obviously) Google as sign-in methods. In. A. Heartbeat. You claim (elsewhere) that you only send responsible-sounding emails, but the level of invective in your screed leads me to disbelieve you. Personally, I think HME seems to have been created exactly to cope with people like you - and I’m failing to see this “hype” you talk about. HME makes the value of an email address tend to zero, gives me the ability to cut you off without your agreement (and prevents you from selling my email on afterwards), and places all the control in my domain not yours. That’s simply the truth of the matter, and it’s not hype.

collaborative 5y ago
I challenge you to sign up (with Apple ID if you wish) and see for yourself how many emails you get. Otherwise you're accusing without evidence I don't challenge that Apple ID is a good thing. I protest Apple's method of implementation
- spacedcowboy 5y ago
  Why would I do that ? I already distrust you based on your own words...
  - johnny_b_g 5y ago
    So you admit to accusing without evidence.
    - spacedcowboy 5y ago
      I admit to distrust. I distrust anyone who tries to downplay privacy as important. I distrust anyone who tries to brand a genuine privacy upgrade as "hype" And, frankly, signing in (with AppleID or not) doesn't prove a thing one way or another. The OP could be simply harvesting email addresses and selling them off later[+]. (S)he could be upset that HME and SIWA are a threat to that business. Far-fetched ? Sure. More far-fetched than an adult throwing the tantrum on the website ? Not so sure... Or another option along the same lines. Perhaps OP has another more-public site that (s)he doesn't want to take this stand on for PR reasons, so they're doing it here, and getting "awareness" out there by submitting to places like HN. In that case, sure, there'd be no email abuse on the <don't care about> site... There's a few other options that are possible. None of these get around the basic premise that privacy on the net is important (at least to me, YMMV) and I don't trust those who decry it. [+] Tesla does this, for example. All of a sudden, a couple of years after buying power walls, I'm getting emails to Tesla@<my-domain> and texts containing Tesla@<my-domain> to my phone number (which I usually obscure using google-voice) asking if they can give me mortgage offers (for example). Tesla sold my details when I stopped buying expensive stuff from them - this is why I set up a catch-all address, and used <company>@<my-domain> whenever I signed up for stuff. Now I use HME.
      - johnny_b_g 5y ago
        Yup, Apple fanboiz always be deflecting. No wonder Apple doesn't need a marketing/PR dept - the fanboiz will happily come to Apple's rescue for free!

GeekyBear 5y ago

>privacy can't be an excuse to stifle competition Offering Apple as a choice does not remove the customer's ability to use the two biggest names in surveillance capitalism as the "protector" of their privacy.