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DevOps = sysadmin SecOps = sysadmin has to apply the CIS/SCAP/whatever security template to the machine DevSecOps = developer also has to apply the CIS/SCAP/w

DevOps = sysadmin SecOps = sysadmin has to apply the CIS/SCAP/whatever security template to the machine DevSecOps = developer also has to apply the CIS/SCAP/whatever security template to their machine It all ends up becoming marketing jargon for suits looking to follow the next big trend.

chazu 5y ago
This is absolutely wrong - DevOps is not a job title. At least it shouldn't be, as anyone in the sector will tell you. The conflation of DevOps responsibilities and specializations with SysAdmin work is the reason why the vast majority of "DevOps" teams are...vastly unqualified.
drran 5y ago
DevOps is a Developer which does Operational Support by writing code instead of performing operations manually. Sysadmin is a System Administrator, which performs operations manually.
- aniou 5y ago
  Not at all. Things like CFEengine (1993) and even Puppet predates a spread of "devops" term. Not mentioning tools for automated system installations, embedded in distributions like RedHat or Debian. Creating a tools, that allows us doing a simple, repeatable and - usually - automated tasks, always was an important part of sysadm role. Of course, there were ones that did everything manually and wasn't able to write own code: we called them "operators". From my point of view: "devop is that hasty one, that doesn't care about long-term support of underlying infrastructure".
  - drran 5y ago
    > Not at all. Things like CFEengine (1993) and even Puppet predates a spread of "devops" term. Not mentioning tools for automated system installations, embedded in distributions like RedHat or Debian. Yep. > Creating a tools, that allows us doing a simple, repeatable and - usually - automated tasks, always was an important part of sysadm role. Of course, there were ones that did everything manually and wasn't able to write own code: we called them "operators". Yep. > From my point of view: "devop is that hasty one, that doesn't care about long-term support of underlying infrastructure". Nope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DevOps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DevOps
- kazen44 5y ago
  what about other fields of operation? Operational folk have been using automation since atleast the 70's... Routing is completely automated for instance, and has been for over 35 years.
- fourthwaveska 5y ago
  > Sysadmin is a System Administrator, which performs operations manually. For decades before DevOps was coined, Sysadmins were automating infrastructures with tools like Kickstart, Jumpstart, CFEngine, ISconf, Rancid, netboot/pxeboot/dhcp, etc. I first provisioned infrastructure with CFEngine in 1996 or 1997.
  - drran 5y ago
    > For decades before DevOps was coined, Sysadmins were automating infrastructures with tools like Kickstart, Jumpstart, CFEngine, ISconf, Rancid, netboot/pxeboot/dhcp, etc. I first provisioned infrastructure with CFEngine in 1996 or 1997. So, you did DevOps work in 1996, long before the DevOps term was coined.
    - fourthwaveska 5y ago
      Not really. I dont think I fully got over the us vs them mentality with dev organizations until ‘07 or ‘08.
amne 5y ago
DevOps = Sysadmin who now pushes his bash scripts to a remote git

chazu 5y ago

This is absolutely wrong - DevOps is not a job title. At least it shouldn't be, as anyone in the sector will tell you. The conflation of DevOps responsibilities and specializations with SysAdmin work is the reason why the vast majority of "DevOps" teams are...vastly unqualified.

drran 5y ago

DevOps is a Developer which does Operational Support by writing code instead of performing operations manually. Sysadmin is a System Administrator, which performs operations manually.

aniou 5y ago
Not at all. Things like CFEengine (1993) and even Puppet predates a spread of "devops" term. Not mentioning tools for automated system installations, embedded in distributions like RedHat or Debian. Creating a tools, that allows us doing a simple, repeatable and - usually - automated tasks, always was an important part of sysadm role. Of course, there were ones that did everything manually and wasn't able to write own code: we called them "operators". From my point of view: "devop is that hasty one, that doesn't care about long-term support of underlying infrastructure".
- drran 5y ago
  > Not at all. Things like CFEengine (1993) and even Puppet predates a spread of "devops" term. Not mentioning tools for automated system installations, embedded in distributions like RedHat or Debian. Yep. > Creating a tools, that allows us doing a simple, repeatable and - usually - automated tasks, always was an important part of sysadm role. Of course, there were ones that did everything manually and wasn't able to write own code: we called them "operators". Yep. > From my point of view: "devop is that hasty one, that doesn't care about long-term support of underlying infrastructure". Nope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DevOps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DevOps
kazen44 5y ago
what about other fields of operation? Operational folk have been using automation since atleast the 70's... Routing is completely automated for instance, and has been for over 35 years.
fourthwaveska 5y ago
> Sysadmin is a System Administrator, which performs operations manually. For decades before DevOps was coined, Sysadmins were automating infrastructures with tools like Kickstart, Jumpstart, CFEngine, ISconf, Rancid, netboot/pxeboot/dhcp, etc. I first provisioned infrastructure with CFEngine in 1996 or 1997.
- drran 5y ago
  > For decades before DevOps was coined, Sysadmins were automating infrastructures with tools like Kickstart, Jumpstart, CFEngine, ISconf, Rancid, netboot/pxeboot/dhcp, etc. I first provisioned infrastructure with CFEngine in 1996 or 1997. So, you did DevOps work in 1996, long before the DevOps term was coined.
  - fourthwaveska 5y ago
    Not really. I dont think I fully got over the us vs them mentality with dev organizations until ‘07 or ‘08.

amne 5y ago

DevOps = Sysadmin who now pushes his bash scripts to a remote git