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GitOps does have a meaning beyond just “use git”. But you aren’t wrong that the strength of the meaning is rapidly fading as does any phrase that catches on wit

GitOps does have a meaning beyond just “use git”. But you aren’t wrong that the strength of the meaning is rapidly fading as does any phrase that catches on with product marketing.

hkt 5y ago
I think this is an important point: startups hawking product are a strong source of entropy, undoing the work of practitioners who are trying to say coherent things to their intended audience of peers. It'd be nice to have a safe space away from those people, even if it was closed to the world at large.
gls2ro 5y ago
I like Git and probably GitOps does mean something. But I really don't like that has the name of a specific technology. What if someone is using Mercurial shoult it call themselves MercurialOps. I also find the definition odd: "GitOps is a way of implementing Continuous Deployment for cloud native applications" [0] At least DevOps is more generic and not JavaOps or DotNetOps or PythonOps. Also I would have nothing against naming things like this except that along with naming things like this a bunch of hiring people starts asking for this very specific skills as it is like basic literacy that everyone should know or (a little bit worse) suddently appearing 1000 courses and materials from 0 to XOps in 29 minutes and suddently Github and Twitter is flooded with small projects copying at infinitum the same exercise without being able to actually teach people the hard skills of solving problems and then translating solutions into a specific technology(ies). [0] https://www.gitops.tech/ https://www.gitops.tech/
grafelic 5y ago
My sysadm colleagues and I have been doing "GitOps" for the last ten years. Puppet, chef, ansible, terraform et al. are not really valuable without version control and some form of deployment pipeline. I am close to getting the same allergic responses to BuzzOps words that Cayce Pollard has to corporate logos.

GitOps does have a meaning beyond just “use git”. But you aren’t wrong that the strength of the meaning is rapidly fading as does any phrase that catches on with product marketing.

hkt 5y ago

I think this is an important point: startups hawking product are a strong source of entropy, undoing the work of practitioners who are trying to say coherent things to their intended audience of peers. It'd be nice to have a safe space away from those people, even if it was closed to the world at large.

gls2ro 5y ago

I like Git and probably GitOps does mean something. But I really don't like that has the name of a specific technology. What if someone is using Mercurial shoult it call themselves MercurialOps. I also find the definition odd: "GitOps is a way of implementing Continuous Deployment for cloud native applications" [0] At least DevOps is more generic and not JavaOps or DotNetOps or PythonOps. Also I would have nothing against naming things like this except that along with naming things like this a bunch of hiring people starts asking for this very specific skills as it is like basic literacy that everyone should know or (a little bit worse) suddently appearing 1000 courses and materials from 0 to XOps in 29 minutes and suddently Github and Twitter is flooded with small projects copying at infinitum the same exercise without being able to actually teach people the hard skills of solving problems and then translating solutions into a specific technology(ies). [0] https://www.gitops.tech/ https://www.gitops.tech/

grafelic 5y ago

My sysadm colleagues and I have been doing "GitOps" for the last ten years. Puppet, chef, ansible, terraform et al. are not really valuable without version control and some form of deployment pipeline. I am close to getting the same allergic responses to BuzzOps words that Cayce Pollard has to corporate logos.