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Sign In with Apple allows you to share your email so you are incorrect. If I decide to hide my email and be locked out - my choice. Developers and companies are

Sign In with Apple allows you to share your email so you are incorrect. If I decide to hide my email and be locked out - my choice. Developers and companies are greedy for data. Why do we have the expectation that emails should be shared? I constantly say don’t send me marketing and some services send. On my part I report them as spam every time so that algos start blocking them as they are breaking our contract and are malicious. For every service I’ve built allow the user to create an account with email, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Twitter, Facebook and to later untie their account and move to email. Also if they ever get locked out from their oauth account they can use the email to create a password and login via the normal way.

pjerem 5y ago
> Also if they ever get locked out from their oauth account they can use the email to create a password and login via the normal way. This is exactly my point ! You can't recover your account if you don't know the mail used for registration. Even if you remembered it, no check could be made if Apple stopped to proxy the mails for one or another reason. With other providers, you could always recover an account because your email address would let you prove the ownership of the account.
- gowld 5y ago
  What if my email address stops getting mail for one or another reason?
  - dkdbejwi383 5y ago
    Then it loses marketing value and data hungry companies no longer care
    - Redoubts 5y ago
      The point is Apple relay goes under is the same risk as gmail goes under.
      - LadyCailin 5y ago
        I’d say it’s lower, even. Google has a far worse history of killing services off than Apple.
        imwillofficial 5y ago
        I still have my .Mac email address.
- jackson1442 5y ago
  You can look up any private relay email address you've had provisioned in iCloud settings. It shows what service it was used or and the email, also allowing you to disable the address. This is also available from the Apple ID manager: https://media.welsh.cc/SIAAsg https://media.welsh.cc/SIAAsg
- martimarkov 5y ago
  Is that not the same with if Google block my account? I won't be even able to login to my email for simple password reset or to verify I'm the actual owner of the email. This is the problem with one click account vs email entering. It is a risk users should be made aware of but it is still their choice. And for some critical services I'll use my email, for other like the app in question, or most apps on the App Store I'll use one-click install, also most of the time there is no need for me to have an account. Most data can be stored on device without the need for user authentication.
jay_kyburz 5y ago
I was under the impression that the Apple email that you get is not a real email address with an inbox? Is it? How can you verify a user the real owner of the email? If they are locked out of the oauth account, presumably they can't check their inbox. edit: Oh, do you mean you ask for an email address after they already flow through the oauth process - because that's the worst of all :)
- Nextgrid 5y ago
  The Apple-provided e-mail address forwards to their real email, so you can still use it for e-mail verification and communications. It just means the user can deactivate the alias at any time and stop further spam.

pjerem 5y ago

> Also if they ever get locked out from their oauth account they can use the email to create a password and login via the normal way. This is exactly my point ! You can't recover your account if you don't know the mail used for registration. Even if you remembered it, no check could be made if Apple stopped to proxy the mails for one or another reason. With other providers, you could always recover an account because your email address would let you prove the ownership of the account.

gowld 5y ago
What if my email address stops getting mail for one or another reason?
- dkdbejwi383 5y ago
  Then it loses marketing value and data hungry companies no longer care
  - Redoubts 5y ago
    The point is Apple relay goes under is the same risk as gmail goes under.
    - LadyCailin 5y ago
      I’d say it’s lower, even. Google has a far worse history of killing services off than Apple.
      - imwillofficial 5y ago
        I still have my .Mac email address.
jackson1442 5y ago
You can look up any private relay email address you've had provisioned in iCloud settings. It shows what service it was used or and the email, also allowing you to disable the address. This is also available from the Apple ID manager: https://media.welsh.cc/SIAAsg https://media.welsh.cc/SIAAsg
martimarkov 5y ago
Is that not the same with if Google block my account? I won't be even able to login to my email for simple password reset or to verify I'm the actual owner of the email. This is the problem with one click account vs email entering. It is a risk users should be made aware of but it is still their choice. And for some critical services I'll use my email, for other like the app in question, or most apps on the App Store I'll use one-click install, also most of the time there is no need for me to have an account. Most data can be stored on device without the need for user authentication.

jay_kyburz 5y ago

I was under the impression that the Apple email that you get is not a real email address with an inbox? Is it? How can you verify a user the real owner of the email? If they are locked out of the oauth account, presumably they can't check their inbox. edit: Oh, do you mean you ask for an email address after they already flow through the oauth process - because that's the worst of all :)

Nextgrid 5y ago
The Apple-provided e-mail address forwards to their real email, so you can still use it for e-mail verification and communications. It just means the user can deactivate the alias at any time and stop further spam.