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MS is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to security and legacy support but I still think they approached this the wrong way. Windows is both the mos

MS is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to security and legacy support but I still think they approached this the wrong way. Windows is both the most popular PC OS and a huge target because of that legacy baggage they're been carrying around for years. On the other hand every other device on the market now (mobile phone, tablets, everything Apple) are almost completely locked down from the user's perspective so MS probably feels they are safe in joining the rest of the world in tying the user's hands. I understand the move towards better security but they should also consider extending Windows 10 support beyond the current end of 2025 deadline, given the harsh requirements for upgrade. You could buy a brand new MS device today and see it turn into an unsupported paperweight in just 4 years. The security pros for Secure Boot shouldn't come at the cost of millions of useless and unsupported PCs so early in their (historically long) lifecycle.

propertymagnate 5y ago
That's not security for the consumer, that's security for their business model and being able to force the consumer in to a walled garden.
vbezhenar 5y ago
I bet they'll allow Windows 11 upgrade for all computers, when Windows 10 will stop receiving updates. They just want to force manufacturers to make all motherboards with TPM 2.0. There's no technical reasons to forbid those upgrades, just political ones.
- tored 5y ago
  Not so sure, the future of the computer is being a client on a corporate controlled network. TPM is necessary to allow or ban clients on such network.
  - Caspy7 5y ago
    I'm probably not as technical as the average HN commenter so maybe you can fill me in... I've had personal computers for years and none of them have been on corporate networks so I don't see how MS should care about me in that - and for actual businesses aren't their hardware turnaround times generally less than 5 years? Is this all worth it to shave off that 1%?
    - tored 5y ago
      Corporate network = cloud. Cloud account, cloud storage, cloud applications, cloud content, cloud security, cloud messaging, cloud meeting, cloud moderation. Everything will be in the cloud and connected with a subscription, paid or with ads. Your computer will only be client connected to those services, and just as users getting banned from different internet services by breaking the user agreement, you will be banned from your computer for breaking the user agreement. The distinction between the computer and the internet services will be very fuzzy because they will be intertwined. Also read this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28059074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28059074
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        Also known as embrace the timesharing terminal.

propertymagnate 5y ago

That's not security for the consumer, that's security for their business model and being able to force the consumer in to a walled garden.

vbezhenar 5y ago

I bet they'll allow Windows 11 upgrade for all computers, when Windows 10 will stop receiving updates. They just want to force manufacturers to make all motherboards with TPM 2.0. There's no technical reasons to forbid those upgrades, just political ones.

tored 5y ago
Not so sure, the future of the computer is being a client on a corporate controlled network. TPM is necessary to allow or ban clients on such network.
- Caspy7 5y ago
  I'm probably not as technical as the average HN commenter so maybe you can fill me in... I've had personal computers for years and none of them have been on corporate networks so I don't see how MS should care about me in that - and for actual businesses aren't their hardware turnaround times generally less than 5 years? Is this all worth it to shave off that 1%?
  - tored 5y ago
    Corporate network = cloud. Cloud account, cloud storage, cloud applications, cloud content, cloud security, cloud messaging, cloud meeting, cloud moderation. Everything will be in the cloud and connected with a subscription, paid or with ads. Your computer will only be client connected to those services, and just as users getting banned from different internet services by breaking the user agreement, you will be banned from your computer for breaking the user agreement. The distinction between the computer and the internet services will be very fuzzy because they will be intertwined. Also read this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28059074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28059074
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      Also known as embrace the timesharing terminal.