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> Go look at the Cutter incident. It killed 10. Seems like the long term side effect that you claim does not exist. Not to mention what could happen if someone

> Go look at the Cutter incident. It killed 10. Seems like the long term side effect that you claim does not exist. Not to mention what could happen if someone messed up and injected bleach instead of the vaccine. You have to go back over 60 years and even then only find issues caused by manufacturing problems, i.e., cases where not the intended vaccine was injected...

babesh 5y ago
Wrong. Rotavirus is 1998. Do the math. 2021 - 1998 = 23 years EDIT: 23 not 32 years
- himinlomax 5y ago
  That's still 3 decades, and that was short term.
  - babesh 5y ago
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-history-vaccines-failed-lessons-coronavirus-vaccine-166116 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-his... More examples. One from 2017 with several deaths. “In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the disease’s four stereotypes. The result was that it actually increased the risk that a child would contract a more severe form of the disease.” Is 4 years recent enough? Edit: Read more carefully, the paper cited 4 examples. One was Cutter. “ Next on the list is the widespread vaccination against the childhood disease measles. In the early 1960s, thousands of children received a particular inactivated vaccine, so if they were exposed to the actual measles virus, they developed atypical measles. This was characterized by high fever, severe abdominal pain and lung inflammation and often required hospitalization. That particular vaccine was eventually withdrawn. The final case deals with the vaccination attempt of the respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). Children treated with one type of vaccine in the 1960s developed an enhanced form of the disease, often suffering from high fever, bronchopneumonia and wheezing. Dozens ended up being hospitalized and two died. There still is no vaccine to prevent RSV infection, but scientists are working hard to develop one, according to the CDC.”
    - himinlomax 5y ago
      Ah, at last, one relevant example. So you're right, there is one case where a vaccine had negative side effects, long term. Out of hundreds of vaccines. Doesn't change much to the argument, statistically.
      - babesh 5y ago
        There were 4 examples in this article. Only one was in the CDC article.
        babesh 5y ago
        There was another in the CDC article. So 5 so far. And these were vaccines that had passed trials unlike the current COVID-19 vaccines that haven’t even passed trials yet. The COVID-19 vaccines in the US are ALL under emergency use authorization. Many, many vaccines don’t pass trials because of adverse side effects. Also these 5 were what I found with just a little research. It’s as if you don’t actually know whether the vaccines are safe since no long term trials have been completed. And that even after trials have been completed, some vaccines are actually unsafe and not just due to manufacturing defects. Use your brain people. Don’t let someone else think for you. Keep your agency. Feel free to take the vaccine if you choose but do your own research first. Don’t be affected by the screamers. When someone tells you something, go find out if it is actually true. When someone tells you something absolute then be extra careful. When someone approaches a topic without an open mind be extra cautious. Signs of this are not looking for evidence, not considering evidence, not allowing for the possibility that we just might not know, and not allowing for a more complex reality.
    - himinlomax 5y ago
      re: your edit So basically that vaccine didn't work to prevent measles. That's not a long term side-effect. That's a vaccine not working.
      - babesh 5y ago
        Can you not read? Here is the quote for the RSV vaccine that I had included in the earlier comment. “Dozens ended up being hospitalized and two died.” Also can you not at least do your own research on atypical measles? Pulmonary lesions for several years sounds long term to me. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7468641/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7468641/ “ This report highlights three unusual manifestations of this syndrome: 1) transient hepatitis, 2) persistence of pulmonary lesions for several years, and 3) occurrence of excessively high measles hemagglutination-inhibition antibody titers.” Everything you say, I go find evidence against and you find no new evidence. You just walk further and further back. - no vaccines with long term side effects - wrong, how about Cutter and rotavirus - only one vaccine with long term side effects - wrong, how about these 2 - only 60 years ago - wrong, how about 23 years ago - only manufacturing defect - wrong, how about RSV, and these two others - only 30 years ago - wrong, how about 4 years ago - only got you measles - wrong, you got atypical measles - no long term effects - wrong, did you not read that there were multiple deaths? Did you figure out what atypical measles is? Did you find out about it’s long term side effects? - I never said vaccines were safe, just that there were none with long term side effects - wrong, you must mean short term side effects that fade away? Hahahaha. Deaths, paralysis, lesions, bowel obstructions that left untreated can kill you, etc… Do you know what long term side effect even means? It doesn’t mean that the side effects only begin showing up later. An effect that occurs immediately and persists is still a long term side effect. A bullet to your brain has a long term side effect. It’s action is immediate but it’s side effects can be long lasting. If vaccines are not safe, then why are you arguing that people take them? Also if you can’t tell if they are safe, how can you argue that taking the vaccines is safer than getting COVID-19? How can you argue definitively that the vaccines are safer for everyone? Why are you arguing against waiting for results of long term trials? When faced with more and more evidence, instead of learning more, you stay incurious. You argue with so much self assurance but do not bother researching and thinking through a situation that is not fully known.
babesh 5y ago
“In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the disease’s four stereotypes. The result was that it actually increased the risk that a child would contract a more severe form of the disease.“

babesh 5y ago

Wrong. Rotavirus is 1998. Do the math. 2021 - 1998 = 23 years EDIT: 23 not 32 years

himinlomax 5y ago
That's still 3 decades, and that was short term.
- babesh 5y ago
  https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-history-vaccines-failed-lessons-coronavirus-vaccine-166116 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-his... More examples. One from 2017 with several deaths. “In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the disease’s four stereotypes. The result was that it actually increased the risk that a child would contract a more severe form of the disease.” Is 4 years recent enough? Edit: Read more carefully, the paper cited 4 examples. One was Cutter. “ Next on the list is the widespread vaccination against the childhood disease measles. In the early 1960s, thousands of children received a particular inactivated vaccine, so if they were exposed to the actual measles virus, they developed atypical measles. This was characterized by high fever, severe abdominal pain and lung inflammation and often required hospitalization. That particular vaccine was eventually withdrawn. The final case deals with the vaccination attempt of the respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). Children treated with one type of vaccine in the 1960s developed an enhanced form of the disease, often suffering from high fever, bronchopneumonia and wheezing. Dozens ended up being hospitalized and two died. There still is no vaccine to prevent RSV infection, but scientists are working hard to develop one, according to the CDC.”
  - himinlomax 5y ago
    Ah, at last, one relevant example. So you're right, there is one case where a vaccine had negative side effects, long term. Out of hundreds of vaccines. Doesn't change much to the argument, statistically.
    - babesh 5y ago
      There were 4 examples in this article. Only one was in the CDC article.
      - babesh 5y ago
        There was another in the CDC article. So 5 so far. And these were vaccines that had passed trials unlike the current COVID-19 vaccines that haven’t even passed trials yet. The COVID-19 vaccines in the US are ALL under emergency use authorization. Many, many vaccines don’t pass trials because of adverse side effects. Also these 5 were what I found with just a little research. It’s as if you don’t actually know whether the vaccines are safe since no long term trials have been completed. And that even after trials have been completed, some vaccines are actually unsafe and not just due to manufacturing defects. Use your brain people. Don’t let someone else think for you. Keep your agency. Feel free to take the vaccine if you choose but do your own research first. Don’t be affected by the screamers. When someone tells you something, go find out if it is actually true. When someone tells you something absolute then be extra careful. When someone approaches a topic without an open mind be extra cautious. Signs of this are not looking for evidence, not considering evidence, not allowing for the possibility that we just might not know, and not allowing for a more complex reality.
  - himinlomax 5y ago
    re: your edit So basically that vaccine didn't work to prevent measles. That's not a long term side-effect. That's a vaccine not working.
    - babesh 5y ago
      Can you not read? Here is the quote for the RSV vaccine that I had included in the earlier comment. “Dozens ended up being hospitalized and two died.” Also can you not at least do your own research on atypical measles? Pulmonary lesions for several years sounds long term to me. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7468641/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7468641/ “ This report highlights three unusual manifestations of this syndrome: 1) transient hepatitis, 2) persistence of pulmonary lesions for several years, and 3) occurrence of excessively high measles hemagglutination-inhibition antibody titers.” Everything you say, I go find evidence against and you find no new evidence. You just walk further and further back. - no vaccines with long term side effects - wrong, how about Cutter and rotavirus - only one vaccine with long term side effects - wrong, how about these 2 - only 60 years ago - wrong, how about 23 years ago - only manufacturing defect - wrong, how about RSV, and these two others - only 30 years ago - wrong, how about 4 years ago - only got you measles - wrong, you got atypical measles - no long term effects - wrong, did you not read that there were multiple deaths? Did you figure out what atypical measles is? Did you find out about it’s long term side effects? - I never said vaccines were safe, just that there were none with long term side effects - wrong, you must mean short term side effects that fade away? Hahahaha. Deaths, paralysis, lesions, bowel obstructions that left untreated can kill you, etc… Do you know what long term side effect even means? It doesn’t mean that the side effects only begin showing up later. An effect that occurs immediately and persists is still a long term side effect. A bullet to your brain has a long term side effect. It’s action is immediate but it’s side effects can be long lasting. If vaccines are not safe, then why are you arguing that people take them? Also if you can’t tell if they are safe, how can you argue that taking the vaccines is safer than getting COVID-19? How can you argue definitively that the vaccines are safer for everyone? Why are you arguing against waiting for results of long term trials? When faced with more and more evidence, instead of learning more, you stay incurious. You argue with so much self assurance but do not bother researching and thinking through a situation that is not fully known.

babesh 5y ago

“In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the disease’s four stereotypes. The result was that it actually increased the risk that a child would contract a more severe form of the disease.“