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You are wrong. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.... Go look at the

by babesh 5y ago

You are wrong. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.... Go look at the Cutter incident. It killed 10. Seems like the long term side effect that you claim does not exist. “ In 1955, some batches of polio vaccine given to the public contained live polio virus, even though they had passed required safety testing” Go look at the rotavirus incident. “ The results of the investigations showed that RotaShield vaccine caused intussusception in some healthy infants younger than 12 months of age who normally would be at low risk for this condition.” All from the CDC.

himinlomax 5y ago
What a terrible example. You're taking as an example a case where a production defect resulted in contamination by the disease itself. The long term side effects are not caused by the vaccine as a vaccine, they were those of the disease a faulty vaccine contained. It boggles the mind how anyone can find this a compelling argument, but that's par for the course for antivaxers. Your second example is a short term effect, not a long term one. Wrong again.
- babesh 5y ago
  Bowel obstructions kill you clown. Seems like a long term side effect to me.
  - himinlomax 5y ago
    A bullet to the brain kills you more, but they're no more LONG TERM than a bowel obstruction shortly after injection. LONG TERM means years down the road. We already have a year of experience with this vaccine, starting with the participants of the first trials. This is just silly.
dagsdgfhdgdj 5y ago
> Go look at the Cutter incident. It killed 10. Seems like the long term side effect that you claim does not exist. Not to mention what could happen if someone messed up and injected bleach instead of the vaccine. You have to go back over 60 years and even then only find issues caused by manufacturing problems, i.e., cases where not the intended vaccine was injected...
- babesh 5y ago
  Wrong. Rotavirus is 1998. Do the math. 2021 - 1998 = 23 years EDIT: 23 not 32 years
  - himinlomax 5y ago
    That's still 3 decades, and that was short term.
    - babesh 5y ago
      https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-history-vaccines-failed-lessons-coronavirus-vaccine-166116 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-his... More examples. One from 2017 with several deaths. “In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the disease’s four stereotypes. The result was that it actually increased the risk that a child would contract a more severe form of the disease.” Is 4 years recent enough? Edit: Read more carefully, the paper cited 4 examples. One was Cutter. “ Next on the list is the widespread vaccination against the childhood disease measles. In the early 1960s, thousands of children received a particular inactivated vaccine, so if they were exposed to the actual measles virus, they developed atypical measles. This was characterized by high fever, severe abdominal pain and lung inflammation and often required hospitalization. That particular vaccine was eventually withdrawn. The final case deals with the vaccination attempt of the respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). Children treated with one type of vaccine in the 1960s developed an enhanced form of the disease, often suffering from high fever, bronchopneumonia and wheezing. Dozens ended up being hospitalized and two died. There still is no vaccine to prevent RSV infection, but scientists are working hard to develop one, according to the CDC.”
      - himinlomax 5y ago
        Ah, at last, one relevant example. So you're right, there is one case where a vaccine had negative side effects, long term. Out of hundreds of vaccines. Doesn't change much to the argument, statistically.

by babesh 5y ago

himinlomax 5y ago

What a terrible example. You're taking as an example a case where a production defect resulted in contamination by the disease itself. The long term side effects are not caused by the vaccine as a vaccine, they were those of the disease a faulty vaccine contained. It boggles the mind how anyone can find this a compelling argument, but that's par for the course for antivaxers. Your second example is a short term effect, not a long term one. Wrong again.

babesh 5y ago
Bowel obstructions kill you clown. Seems like a long term side effect to me.
- himinlomax 5y ago
  A bullet to the brain kills you more, but they're no more LONG TERM than a bowel obstruction shortly after injection. LONG TERM means years down the road. We already have a year of experience with this vaccine, starting with the participants of the first trials. This is just silly.

dagsdgfhdgdj 5y ago

> Go look at the Cutter incident. It killed 10. Seems like the long term side effect that you claim does not exist. Not to mention what could happen if someone messed up and injected bleach instead of the vaccine. You have to go back over 60 years and even then only find issues caused by manufacturing problems, i.e., cases where not the intended vaccine was injected...

babesh 5y ago
Wrong. Rotavirus is 1998. Do the math. 2021 - 1998 = 23 years EDIT: 23 not 32 years
- himinlomax 5y ago
  That's still 3 decades, and that was short term.
  - babesh 5y ago
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-history-vaccines-failed-lessons-coronavirus-vaccine-166116 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-his... More examples. One from 2017 with several deaths. “In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the disease’s four stereotypes. The result was that it actually increased the risk that a child would contract a more severe form of the disease.” Is 4 years recent enough? Edit: Read more carefully, the paper cited 4 examples. One was Cutter. “ Next on the list is the widespread vaccination against the childhood disease measles. In the early 1960s, thousands of children received a particular inactivated vaccine, so if they were exposed to the actual measles virus, they developed atypical measles. This was characterized by high fever, severe abdominal pain and lung inflammation and often required hospitalization. That particular vaccine was eventually withdrawn. The final case deals with the vaccination attempt of the respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). Children treated with one type of vaccine in the 1960s developed an enhanced form of the disease, often suffering from high fever, bronchopneumonia and wheezing. Dozens ended up being hospitalized and two died. There still is no vaccine to prevent RSV infection, but scientists are working hard to develop one, according to the CDC.”
    - himinlomax 5y ago
      Ah, at last, one relevant example. So you're right, there is one case where a vaccine had negative side effects, long term. Out of hundreds of vaccines. Doesn't change much to the argument, statistically.