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Yes we do. There are hundreds of vaccines, none have long term side effects. There was some suspicion regarding one flu vaccine and narcolepsy, but it's been mo

Yes we do. There are hundreds of vaccines, none have long term side effects. There was some suspicion regarding one flu vaccine and narcolepsy, but it's been mostly ruled out and is entirely due to the peculiar etiology of that disorder, not the vaccine as such (the virus it targets is the known trigger for that autoimmune disorder).

babesh 5y ago
You are full of shit. There is a chance of heart inflammation. Now you might say that COVID-19 is worse but that is forcing someone to basically play roulette on themselves for society. https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/07/31/coronavirus-teen-vaccine-less-heart-risk-sick-study/7241627680038/ https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/07/31/coronavirus-teen-...
- himinlomax 5y ago
  Not getting vaccinated is playing roulette as well, and the odds are clear. The point is that not getting vaccinated is not just playing roulette with your own head, but with others'.
  - babesh 5y ago
    No. The odds differ for each individual. It may be the case that for a particular individual it is better for them not to take it.
    - himinlomax 5y ago
      Except that it's demonstrably not.
      - babesh 5y ago
        There is no need to argue with you anymore. First you say that all vaccines are safe. Then when I find examples of them being unsafe, you say it was a manufacturing mistake from 60 years ago. Then when I find another from 1998 you argue that bowel obstructions are not long term and that it was 3 decades ago. Then I find another from only 4 years ago and you say that it is only one example. Then I go and find two more. Keep on walking back your claims. Note that many of these vaccines were already approved and not under emergency use authorization. Ever wonder how many side effects vaccines under trial have and how many never make it out of trials?
        himinlomax 5y ago
        I never said all vaccines are safe. You were not arguing with me, you were arguing with a strawman of your own making.
        babesh 5y ago
        Himinlomax - “Yes we do. There are hundreds of vaccines, none have long term side effects. There was some suspicion regarding one flu vaccine and narcolepsy, but it's been mostly ruled out and is entirely due to the peculiar etiology of that disorder, not the vaccine as such (the virus it targets is the known trigger for that autoimmune disord…” “Ah, at last, one relevant example. So you're right, there is one case where a vaccine had negative side effects, long term. Out of hundreds of vaccines. Doesn't change much to the argument, statistically.” “I never said all vaccines are safe.”
        himinlomax 5y ago
        > long term side effects
        babesh 5y ago
        What a clown dagsdgfhdgdj - “You have to go back over 60 years and even then only find issues caused by manufacturing problems, i.e., cases where not the intended vaccine was injected...”
        himinlomax 5y ago
        Different person, clown.
        babesh 5y ago
        “himinlomax 13 hours ago [–] That's still 3 decades, and that was short term”
      - babesh 5y ago
        Nope, wrong again. Go look at the game theory of taking a vaccine for a trivial example. Suppose there are 100 people. Suppose a virus has a 10% chance of killing you and the vaccine has a 1% chance. Now give the vaccine to 99 people. Should the last person take the vaccine? The virus is gone. Their probability of dying from the virus is now 0% instead of 10%. But their probability of dying from the vaccine is still 1%. Different people taking the vaccine at different times have different risk profiles. That is just the hypothetical example. There are actual real life examples of this with Covid-19. Some Scandinavian country was giving the vaccine to the elderly. Apparently they were already fragile and taking the vaccine pushed them over the edge and killed them. Now if you are one of those people should you take the vaccine or be forced to? Your best bet is actually to have everyone else take the vaccine and NOT take it yourself. Some people say that this is an example of a tragedy of the commons and that the health community pushes everyone to take the vaccine even if it is NOT in their specific self interest to do so. Everyone wants to be last. No one wants to be first. What do you actually think these vaccine mandates are pushing?
babesh 5y ago
You are wrong. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.... Go look at the Cutter incident. It killed 10. Seems like the long term side effect that you claim does not exist. “ In 1955, some batches of polio vaccine given to the public contained live polio virus, even though they had passed required safety testing” Go look at the rotavirus incident. “ The results of the investigations showed that RotaShield vaccine caused intussusception in some healthy infants younger than 12 months of age who normally would be at low risk for this condition.” All from the CDC.
- himinlomax 5y ago
  What a terrible example. You're taking as an example a case where a production defect resulted in contamination by the disease itself. The long term side effects are not caused by the vaccine as a vaccine, they were those of the disease a faulty vaccine contained. It boggles the mind how anyone can find this a compelling argument, but that's par for the course for antivaxers. Your second example is a short term effect, not a long term one. Wrong again.
  - babesh 5y ago
    Bowel obstructions kill you clown. Seems like a long term side effect to me.
    - himinlomax 5y ago
      A bullet to the brain kills you more, but they're no more LONG TERM than a bowel obstruction shortly after injection. LONG TERM means years down the road. We already have a year of experience with this vaccine, starting with the participants of the first trials. This is just silly.
- dagsdgfhdgdj 5y ago
  > Go look at the Cutter incident. It killed 10. Seems like the long term side effect that you claim does not exist. Not to mention what could happen if someone messed up and injected bleach instead of the vaccine. You have to go back over 60 years and even then only find issues caused by manufacturing problems, i.e., cases where not the intended vaccine was injected...

babesh 5y ago

You are full of shit. There is a chance of heart inflammation. Now you might say that COVID-19 is worse but that is forcing someone to basically play roulette on themselves for society. https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/07/31/coronavirus-teen-vaccine-less-heart-risk-sick-study/7241627680038/ https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/07/31/coronavirus-teen-...

himinlomax 5y ago
Not getting vaccinated is playing roulette as well, and the odds are clear. The point is that not getting vaccinated is not just playing roulette with your own head, but with others'.
- babesh 5y ago
  No. The odds differ for each individual. It may be the case that for a particular individual it is better for them not to take it.
  - himinlomax 5y ago
    Except that it's demonstrably not.
    - babesh 5y ago
      There is no need to argue with you anymore. First you say that all vaccines are safe. Then when I find examples of them being unsafe, you say it was a manufacturing mistake from 60 years ago. Then when I find another from 1998 you argue that bowel obstructions are not long term and that it was 3 decades ago. Then I find another from only 4 years ago and you say that it is only one example. Then I go and find two more. Keep on walking back your claims. Note that many of these vaccines were already approved and not under emergency use authorization. Ever wonder how many side effects vaccines under trial have and how many never make it out of trials?
      - himinlomax 5y ago
        I never said all vaccines are safe. You were not arguing with me, you were arguing with a strawman of your own making.
        babesh 5y ago
        Himinlomax - “Yes we do. There are hundreds of vaccines, none have long term side effects. There was some suspicion regarding one flu vaccine and narcolepsy, but it's been mostly ruled out and is entirely due to the peculiar etiology of that disorder, not the vaccine as such (the virus it targets is the known trigger for that autoimmune disord…” “Ah, at last, one relevant example. So you're right, there is one case where a vaccine had negative side effects, long term. Out of hundreds of vaccines. Doesn't change much to the argument, statistically.” “I never said all vaccines are safe.”
        himinlomax 5y ago
        > long term side effects
        babesh 5y ago
        What a clown dagsdgfhdgdj - “You have to go back over 60 years and even then only find issues caused by manufacturing problems, i.e., cases where not the intended vaccine was injected...”
        himinlomax 5y ago
        Different person, clown.
        babesh 5y ago
        “himinlomax 13 hours ago [–] That's still 3 decades, and that was short term”
    - babesh 5y ago
      Nope, wrong again. Go look at the game theory of taking a vaccine for a trivial example. Suppose there are 100 people. Suppose a virus has a 10% chance of killing you and the vaccine has a 1% chance. Now give the vaccine to 99 people. Should the last person take the vaccine? The virus is gone. Their probability of dying from the virus is now 0% instead of 10%. But their probability of dying from the vaccine is still 1%. Different people taking the vaccine at different times have different risk profiles. That is just the hypothetical example. There are actual real life examples of this with Covid-19. Some Scandinavian country was giving the vaccine to the elderly. Apparently they were already fragile and taking the vaccine pushed them over the edge and killed them. Now if you are one of those people should you take the vaccine or be forced to? Your best bet is actually to have everyone else take the vaccine and NOT take it yourself. Some people say that this is an example of a tragedy of the commons and that the health community pushes everyone to take the vaccine even if it is NOT in their specific self interest to do so. Everyone wants to be last. No one wants to be first. What do you actually think these vaccine mandates are pushing?

babesh 5y ago

You are wrong. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.... Go look at the Cutter incident. It killed 10. Seems like the long term side effect that you claim does not exist. “ In 1955, some batches of polio vaccine given to the public contained live polio virus, even though they had passed required safety testing” Go look at the rotavirus incident. “ The results of the investigations showed that RotaShield vaccine caused intussusception in some healthy infants younger than 12 months of age who normally would be at low risk for this condition.” All from the CDC.

himinlomax 5y ago
What a terrible example. You're taking as an example a case where a production defect resulted in contamination by the disease itself. The long term side effects are not caused by the vaccine as a vaccine, they were those of the disease a faulty vaccine contained. It boggles the mind how anyone can find this a compelling argument, but that's par for the course for antivaxers. Your second example is a short term effect, not a long term one. Wrong again.
- babesh 5y ago
  Bowel obstructions kill you clown. Seems like a long term side effect to me.
  - himinlomax 5y ago
    A bullet to the brain kills you more, but they're no more LONG TERM than a bowel obstruction shortly after injection. LONG TERM means years down the road. We already have a year of experience with this vaccine, starting with the participants of the first trials. This is just silly.
dagsdgfhdgdj 5y ago
> Go look at the Cutter incident. It killed 10. Seems like the long term side effect that you claim does not exist. Not to mention what could happen if someone messed up and injected bleach instead of the vaccine. You have to go back over 60 years and even then only find issues caused by manufacturing problems, i.e., cases where not the intended vaccine was injected...