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If you don't want to take responsibility for your previous statement that Musk is incompetent at engineering, we don't really have anything to talk about. I wil

If you don't want to take responsibility for your previous statement that Musk is incompetent at engineering, we don't really have anything to talk about. I will not deny that he is good at raising money, nor that Tesla might be overvalued, nor etcetera. IMO, it was certainly not clear in your initial comment that "Musk is an incompetent engineer" (here paraphrased) was meant to be a paraphrasing of other sources and not your own stated opinion.

dragontamer 5y ago
> IMO, it was certainly not clear in your initial comment that "Musk is an incompetent engineer" (here paraphrased) was meant to be a paraphrasing of other sources and not your own stated opinion. Fair. But I assure you it was made with respect to the information in the article. I do admit that I happen to have heard this story before, years ago when it was first reported. But reading this long-form story here reminded me of that opinion of mine, and I do believe the proof is in this article as it stands. The additional details in this article (and maybe the book its trying to sell) don't give me much confidence in Elon's engineering skill at all.
- caconym_ 5y ago
  For whatever reason, I've observed public opinion of Musk to be highly polarized. Some (very strange) people literally worship him, and others seem almost personally affronted by his existence and bend over backwards to ignore and/or explain away his obvious, somewhat unprecedented successes. Since to me they are rather obvious, I tend to take any one-dimensional criticism of his abilities as a technical leader with a grain or two of salt. I would never want to work for him, but that's not quite the same question.
  - dragontamer 5y ago
    It used to be mostly just for fun / internet drama for the most part. Like, PS3 vs XBox sorta thing. I take sides but its all just for fun. At least, it was all just fun internet drama until last year when Elon's COVID19 denials went on 100% full display so that he could keep his Fremont factory open. That pissed me off significantly, so I admit to being angrier today than normal. When I saw him use his "hype" to pretend that he was going to build ventilators for hospitals (with 100% confidence that he was bullshitting everyone again), that just made me angrier. Its no longer just him running a quirky company, he's actively stepping into dangerous territory and explicitly spreading COVID19 conspiracy theories among his fans now to push political ideologies that are convenient for him. He's playing both sides: COVID19 denials when it keeps his factory open... COVID19 production ("ventilators", which happened to be worthless CPAP machines) to boost his own ego afterwards and help negate the damage. Its pretty annoying. (It is a donation of medical equipment, but it didn't help the COVID19 cause at all) So that crossed a line for me. I do try to keep things in the "fun XBox vs PS3" kind of debate as much as possible, but I have to admit that the past year has really bothered me with regards to Elon. ----------- Even now, this year, he's suggesting that people don't get the second jab: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1370524129212964867 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1370524129212964867 So while he's not quite anti-vax, he's spreading the paranoia about the vaccines (and was certainly spreading COVID19 denialism last year 100%, likely in support of his preferred factory politics)

dragontamer 5y ago

> IMO, it was certainly not clear in your initial comment that "Musk is an incompetent engineer" (here paraphrased) was meant to be a paraphrasing of other sources and not your own stated opinion. Fair. But I assure you it was made with respect to the information in the article. I do admit that I happen to have heard this story before, years ago when it was first reported. But reading this long-form story here reminded me of that opinion of mine, and I do believe the proof is in this article as it stands. The additional details in this article (and maybe the book its trying to sell) don't give me much confidence in Elon's engineering skill at all.

caconym_ 5y ago
For whatever reason, I've observed public opinion of Musk to be highly polarized. Some (very strange) people literally worship him, and others seem almost personally affronted by his existence and bend over backwards to ignore and/or explain away his obvious, somewhat unprecedented successes. Since to me they are rather obvious, I tend to take any one-dimensional criticism of his abilities as a technical leader with a grain or two of salt. I would never want to work for him, but that's not quite the same question.
- dragontamer 5y ago
  It used to be mostly just for fun / internet drama for the most part. Like, PS3 vs XBox sorta thing. I take sides but its all just for fun. At least, it was all just fun internet drama until last year when Elon's COVID19 denials went on 100% full display so that he could keep his Fremont factory open. That pissed me off significantly, so I admit to being angrier today than normal. When I saw him use his "hype" to pretend that he was going to build ventilators for hospitals (with 100% confidence that he was bullshitting everyone again), that just made me angrier. Its no longer just him running a quirky company, he's actively stepping into dangerous territory and explicitly spreading COVID19 conspiracy theories among his fans now to push political ideologies that are convenient for him. He's playing both sides: COVID19 denials when it keeps his factory open... COVID19 production ("ventilators", which happened to be worthless CPAP machines) to boost his own ego afterwards and help negate the damage. Its pretty annoying. (It is a donation of medical equipment, but it didn't help the COVID19 cause at all) So that crossed a line for me. I do try to keep things in the "fun XBox vs PS3" kind of debate as much as possible, but I have to admit that the past year has really bothered me with regards to Elon. ----------- Even now, this year, he's suggesting that people don't get the second jab: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1370524129212964867 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1370524129212964867 So while he's not quite anti-vax, he's spreading the paranoia about the vaccines (and was certainly spreading COVID19 denialism last year 100%, likely in support of his preferred factory politics)