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I do worry it's a bad sign for union organizing if these are the types of issues they are focused on. A USPS post office box outside the warehouse. I mean, this

I do worry it's a bad sign for union organizing if these are the types of issues they are focused on. A USPS post office box outside the warehouse. I mean, this is the big deal justifying a second election? I don't get it. The ballots are in envelopes, the envelopers or in a PO box. Heck, some people mail things (where I am) but dropping it on office managers deck in a box for outgoing mail. Because normal people are not filing complaints about the OPTION to use a mailbox run by USPS -> this just doesn't feel that compelling as a reason to run an entire election over.

caoilte 5y ago
It's hard to prove that Amazon manipulated the USPS postbox (even though there is good evidence) but it's easy to prove that they violated the rules by setting up a postbox that was easy for them to manipulate and which they practically forced employees to use. Reminds me of Sicily. Most local people used to go into the voting booth with a friend of the local mayor. They didn't have to. They could have gone alone. Hell, they could have complained that they were being intimidated. Strangely they didn't... You'd have fit in well.
- fallingknife 5y ago
  How would it be easy for them to manipulate it? There were security cameras on it. People are acting like this is suspicious, but actually, it would be suspicious if there was no surveillance.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Security cameras controlled by who exactly?
- slownews45 5y ago
  How did they force employees to use this mailbox? They mailed these ballots to people at their houses. Literally that's another union complaint that folks who'd left the company got ballots because the cutoff for mailing happened before they left. So employees would need to bring this ballot INTO the company and then use the mailbox. The odd thing - the union is trying to make it HARDER for folks to vote. They blocked workers from just voting at the place they go to work every shift. Instead we have this big thing about having to mail in ballots. Then they block / complain about a USPS mailbox. What happened to voting rights? I'm also curious, who contested the 500 or so ballots that were not counted? Was that also the union?
amznthrwaway 5y ago
I worry it’s a bad sign for union organizing whenmiddle-class white fascists like yourself pretend not to understand the problem of forcing people to vote only at one heavily surveiled location to which the Amazon guards had keys. I get it: you’re a fascist, and fascists love to play games with the truth. I understand that you’ll never respect anybody on this site enough to do anything other than bullshit. I understand you’ll never stop lying and will never be honest.
toofy 5y ago
> I do worry it's a bad sign for union organizing if these are the types of issues they are focused on. I read an article a year or so ago which talked about how the south is one of the hardest areas to organize. I was super perplexed at first on why the union was so set on organizing this particular warehouse in a somewhat union hostile region rather than one in any of the states with populations that would by default be more open to the idea. It dawned on me that maybe the union expects to lose. They may have chosen one of the more difficult areas to organize as a practical experience exercise for knowledge gain to share with the workers who will be organizing in the areas with a higher union participation rates. I really wish I could find the article again, it was long-form comparing the mean quality of life in states with higher union participation vs those with lower and it delved pretty deeply into the wider ripple effects of unions and the impacts on quality of life in wider society. If anyone either remembers this article or if their googlefu is better than mine, please share, the content of it is incredibly relevant today and I suspect it will be even more so over the next few years.

caoilte 5y ago

It's hard to prove that Amazon manipulated the USPS postbox (even though there is good evidence) but it's easy to prove that they violated the rules by setting up a postbox that was easy for them to manipulate and which they practically forced employees to use. Reminds me of Sicily. Most local people used to go into the voting booth with a friend of the local mayor. They didn't have to. They could have gone alone. Hell, they could have complained that they were being intimidated. Strangely they didn't... You'd have fit in well.

fallingknife 5y ago
How would it be easy for them to manipulate it? There were security cameras on it. People are acting like this is suspicious, but actually, it would be suspicious if there was no surveillance.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Security cameras controlled by who exactly?
slownews45 5y ago
How did they force employees to use this mailbox? They mailed these ballots to people at their houses. Literally that's another union complaint that folks who'd left the company got ballots because the cutoff for mailing happened before they left. So employees would need to bring this ballot INTO the company and then use the mailbox. The odd thing - the union is trying to make it HARDER for folks to vote. They blocked workers from just voting at the place they go to work every shift. Instead we have this big thing about having to mail in ballots. Then they block / complain about a USPS mailbox. What happened to voting rights? I'm also curious, who contested the 500 or so ballots that were not counted? Was that also the union?

amznthrwaway 5y ago

I worry it’s a bad sign for union organizing whenmiddle-class white fascists like yourself pretend not to understand the problem of forcing people to vote only at one heavily surveiled location to which the Amazon guards had keys. I get it: you’re a fascist, and fascists love to play games with the truth. I understand that you’ll never respect anybody on this site enough to do anything other than bullshit. I understand you’ll never stop lying and will never be honest.

toofy 5y ago

> I do worry it's a bad sign for union organizing if these are the types of issues they are focused on. I read an article a year or so ago which talked about how the south is one of the hardest areas to organize. I was super perplexed at first on why the union was so set on organizing this particular warehouse in a somewhat union hostile region rather than one in any of the states with populations that would by default be more open to the idea. It dawned on me that maybe the union expects to lose. They may have chosen one of the more difficult areas to organize as a practical experience exercise for knowledge gain to share with the workers who will be organizing in the areas with a higher union participation rates. I really wish I could find the article again, it was long-form comparing the mean quality of life in states with higher union participation vs those with lower and it delved pretty deeply into the wider ripple effects of unions and the impacts on quality of life in wider society. If anyone either remembers this article or if their googlefu is better than mine, please share, the content of it is incredibly relevant today and I suspect it will be even more so over the next few years.