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NYC to Require Proof of at Least 1 Dose Indoors at Restaurants, Gyms and More
- anonymouswacker 5y ago1 dose of an experimental vaccine so I can work out at a gym? Where are the riots?
- Analemma_ 5y agoYou’re not allowed to walk into public places spraying bullets in every direction, but that is what you are potentially doing when you’re not vaccinated. Piss off with the juvenile freedom argument; freedom stops where your nose does and does not cover fatal contagions.
- rytcio 5y agoBow before the authority, citizen
- ipaddr 5y agoBut you are allowed to breathe peanut dust which could kill the right person. Freedoms extends to the entire public space and you breathing is a natural process. Society tries to balance the freedom of everyone. Spraying bullets in public spaces like the woods are common and are legal, welcome and governed by local laws. Similiar topless beaches areas exist where other areas of the beach do not allow this. This balances the needs of different groups.
- thoughtstheseus 5y agoThis seems to be a more and more common view lately. There is free and widely available medicine that works extremely well. Take it or don’t but the “bullets” are not going away. That’s why it’s called a pandemic.
- mrandolph 5y agothat's an immense amount of hyperbole for a comment decrying juvenile arguments.
- anonymouswacker 5y agoVaccinated people spread the disease, too. Maybe once the mRNA vaccine’s side effects have subsided — specifically brain fog & lethargy — people will be able to have less emotional, hyperbolic retorts to shitposts.
- babesh 5y agoThis logic is shete. There are already several classes of people who either can’t or shouldn’t take the vaccines: kids under twelve, immunocompromised, and people who have severe reactions to vaccines. It’s weird but I happen to have family members in several of those categories. According to this shete logic, we should close all elementary schools, daycares, and nursing homes.
- babesh 5y agoAlso it is psychotic to vaccinate kids right now. We don’t have a good sense of the long term side effects of the vaccine. We usually figure that out with long term trials lasting years.
- himinlomax 5y agoYes we do. There are hundreds of vaccines, none have long term side effects. There was some suspicion regarding one flu vaccine and narcolepsy, but it's been mostly ruled out and is entirely due to the peculiar etiology of that disorder, not the vaccine as such (the virus it targets is the known trigger for that autoimmune disorder).
- babesh 5y agoYou are full of shit. There is a chance of heart inflammation. Now you might say that COVID-19 is worse but that is forcing someone to basically play roulette on themselves for society. https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/07/31/coronavirus-teen-vaccine-less-heart-risk-sick-study/7241627680038/ https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/07/31/coronavirus-teen-...
- himinlomax 5y agoNot getting vaccinated is playing roulette as well, and the odds are clear. The point is that not getting vaccinated is not just playing roulette with your own head, but with others'.
- AnnoyedComment 5y agoYour statement is completely and utterly devoid of facts.
- babesh 5y agoYou do know how the vaccine works right? The virus still infects you and quite possibly reproduces for awhile. It is just that your immune system has been primed to recognize the virus and kill off cells that have been infected. In other words, vaccinated people can still spread the virus. https://www.immunology.org/public-information/bitesized-immunology/pathogens-and-disease/immune-responses-viruses https://www.immunology.org/public-information/bitesized-immu...
- babesh 5y agoIn fact, in some cases, the virus will break through meaning that not only do you get the virus but you show symptoms. Also there are cases of vaccinated people infecting other vaccinated people.
- himinlomax 5y agoVaccinated people can still catch the virus, die from it and spread it. Just like non drunk people can still kill people with their cars. The point is that they're much less likely to do so, just like being sober makes you less likely to commit vehicular manslaughter.
- babesh 5y agoGo ask them to wear masks. Either masks worked or they didn’t. Don’t force people to inject vaccines into their bodies.
- himinlomax 5y agoGo ask other road users to wear seat belts so that I can drive drunk and over the speed limit.
- babesh 5y agoWearing a mask isn’t driving drunk. That is exactly what we are asking children to do while the trials are under way. Your shete logic means that you think that children under 12 who don’t take the vaccine should not go to schools. Or are you advocating that we force them to take the vaccine too? Ha! Not even the CDC recommends that.
- CiaTransMatters 5y agoI agree. Round up everyone who has AIDS.
- version_five 5y agoIt's an easy thing to protest, stop spending money on places that want to operate in a jurisdiction that treats you this way. Let NYC become a progressive paradise and move somewhere that respects its citizens.
- anonymouswacker 5y agoI can move anywhere, but most people can’t. This is absurd to force people to vaccinate with a premature product when a year ago we were just going to close things temporarily to “flatten the curve” and allow the virus to spread. A lot of gaslighting has been going on since then, and I feel really bad for its victims. Also, business owners again are faced with the onus, which just makes them take the brunt of the vitriol vs. shitty politicians
- whateveracct 5y agoYou got a better idea?
- anonymouswacker 5y agoYeah. Let people do what they want. When did centralization of power ever do anything good without horrible unintended consequences?
- aplummer 5y agoWhen we eradicated polio with the miracle of vaccinations and stopped having children in iron lungs
- anonymouswacker 5y agoThat was hardly the same thing. They tested for years, and then the Federal government left it to the states and did not mandate it.
- himinlomax 5y agoFreedom to contaminate?
- anonymouswacker 5y agoYes. It’s what we called living before 2020.
- sanp 5y agoAh - so, we should not change our behavior based on new knowledge? Perhaps we should also allow chemical companies to dump toxic pollutants because we called that living before the clean air and water act...
- AnnoyedComment 5y agoWhy is your text all grey? Is this what we do to dissenting opinions on this site? It's the first time I've seen the effect (I'm new to the site). Regardless, I agree with the sentiment professed above that this is an unconscionable action at the government level.
- criticaltinker 5y agoThis happens when a comment is down-voted. Sometimes it happens to non-mainstream opinions being voiced, but more often it's because the comment is considered by others to be inflammatory or unsubstantiative. See the site guidelines for more details https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- AnnoyedComment 5y agoI see. It only appears to happen thus far when it goes against the mainstream thought process. I'm sure I'll see some apolitical usage at some point, but I've yet to witness it. Thank you for your answer.
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- _djo_ 5y agoI've seen plenty of examples of it happening to apolitical comments in just the last few days. It's not uncommon. It may be that you're predominantly clicking on and reading inherently political topics, and so getting a disproportional view of the trend.
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- LatteLazy 5y agoI think op meant to link to this article: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/03/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine#nyc-vaccine-mandate https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/03/world/covid-delta-va...
- poopypoopington 5y agoWhy 1 dose, why not fully vaccinated?
- whatever_dude 5y agoI assume it's a quick incentive. "Get your vaccine today, then you can get into the gym/restaurant/etc tomorrow!"
- version_five 5y agoIf you are trapped there, maybe you have no choice, but why would one willingly visit a place that treats you like that? I have my vaccinations, but I would not spend money anywhere that wanted me to prove it. I go out and spend money to relax and enjoy myself, if businesses start to pretend that I owe them something for the privilege of spending money there, I just won't do it. People lose their minds because its covid, but in normal circumstances, invasion of privacy is a pretty good reason not to want to eat or work out somewhere.
- geofft 5y agoDifferent people have different opinions on things. Different communities have different values. And in general, people who live in a big city tend to have a lot of trust in institutions (governmental and otherwise) and in prioritizing the needs of a community above the theoretical liberty of the individual. People who live in more rural areas tend to be the opposite. The way I see it, it's not that I owe the business something for the privilege of spending money there - it's that the business offers me additional value, the knowledge that other people there are vaccinated. You don't have to see it this way, but it's possible for people to see things differently from how you see it.
- throwawaygh 5y ago> trust in institutions Unless it's the local baptist church telling you about the evils of the gays (right trusting institutions), or Jeff Bezos telling you that the institution which is Amazon is actually a good thing for humanity (left not trusting institutions). Point is, these sorts of generalizations are generally wrong. Populist distrust of institutions exists on both political poles.
- ctvo 5y agoHome schooling your children too? School districts requiring vaccination records for all sorts of things. What invasion of privacy. It’s like they do it to protect other children.
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- smallmouth 5y agoI don't think this is going to go over too well.
- tajustice1 5y agoID laws are inherently racist, and have been leveraged by white supremacists for decades to keep POC from enjoying the rights and privileges they're guaranteed under the law. Businesses requiring vaccination IDs are de facto discriminating against POCs and other minorities because POCs and minorities are less likely to have ID, and less likely to be vaccinated.
- AnnoyedComment 5y agoFuck that.
- criticaltinker 5y agoYou know what would make requirements like these much more palatable? If there was accommodation for people who already have antibodies (ie have been infected and recovered). There is mounting evidence that people with naturally acquired immunity will not significantly benefit from further vaccination [1][2]. This is a strong argument for strategically targeting our vaccination efforts toward the highest risk populations: elderly with comorbidities, and people who have not yet been exposed and lack access to modern healthcare facilities (ie rural populations in developing countries). Alas, the rhetoric from the top continues to maintain that - as quoted in the article - this is a "pandemic of the unvaccinated". As a final point, what also seems to be chronically left out, is the evidence that combinations of existing medicines have proven very effective at preventing hospitalization and death [3]. [1] SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4.pdf https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4.pdf [2] Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v3.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v... [3] Multifaceted highly targeted sequential multidrug treatment of early ambulatory high-risk SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19) https://scholarlycommons.henryford.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1139&context=infectiousdiseases_articles https://scholarlycommons.henryford.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a...
- wahern 5y ago> There is mounting evidence that people with naturally acquired immunity will not significantly benefit from further vaccination It's a shame that the mainstream, public health narrative unquestioningly rejects prior infection as an alternative. All substantial evidence points to the contrary. That said, identifying those who've legitimately had a prior infection is rather difficult. There are no "I had a PCR-confirmed infection" passports. A large and unlikely fraction of the population believes they were infected, with endless anecdotes about illnesses at the end of 2019 and beginning of 2020. Furthermore, vaccination really shouldn't pose any undue risk to this population. But, yeah, it's yet another unforced error by public health officials (or at least the media interpreting and relaying their guidance) to outright reject this argument.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoI still don't understand what risk the unvaccinated pose to the vaccinated that justifies these extremely heavy handed mandates.