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In recent interviews - Sandy Munro and Andrej Karpathy vouched his technical capability. But it appears you have made up your mind as it seems to be the simple

In recent interviews - Sandy Munro and Andrej Karpathy vouched his technical capability. But it appears you have made up your mind as it seems to be the simplest answer.

shadowfox 5y ago
Not that OP, but in keeping with his concern about incentives, it is not like Karpathy (at least) has no incentive in keeping Elon Musk's public image intact.
threeseed 5y ago
Not sure if you're an Engineer or not. But it's very common to have people involved in the engineering process e.g. Business Analysts, Project Managers, Testers who have a deep understanding of how things work. And by all accounts have excellent technical capability. That doesn't mean they have the ability to design or build the thing though.
mdbug 5y ago
Sandy Munro, by now, is a Tesla shill who can't be taken seriously. Andrej works at Tesla and understandably says nothing bad about his boss. If I thought my boss was technically clueless and needed to say something nice about him, I would probably phrase it the same way: "He's obviously a pretty incredible person in many ways. I'm still trying to really map out his superpowers. He has incredibly well developed intuition in many aspects where he makes the right judgement calls in what I perceive to be a lack of information. Because he's not in detail about all the things but his judgement is extremely good. I still haven't fully understood how that happens."
- stcredzero 5y ago
  Sandy Munro, by now, is a Tesla shill who can't be taken seriously. I've seen him say quite negative things about Tesla, and quite positive things about Tesla's competitors. Examples: He stated that the Ford Mach-E battery case is a structural component. He's also touted injection molding as a means of achieving some of the same things that Tesla is doing with aluminum casting. He praised some aspects of the ID4 motor housing design as superior to Tesla. Can you give me an example of something Sandy Munro has said which IS NOT something good about a Tesla product, where he has clearly sacrificed engineering concerns? As to his statements about Tesla products, everything he's said makes sense to me, and it's my sense that almost all people who call him a Tesla shill simply don't like what he has to say.
  - mdbug 5y ago
    > I've seen him say quite negative things about Tesla, and quite positive things about Tesla's competitors. What I've seen from him, he always shows a clear bias towards Tesla. > Can you give me an example of something Sandy Munro has said which IS NOT something good about a Tesla product, where he has clearly sacrificed engineering concerns? When I say he's a Tesla shill, it's specifically because of the positive things he says about Tesla. For example, here [1] he claims that the FSD Beta is currently at level 4 and "full self-driving" is just around the corner. Do you agree with that? [1] https://twitter.com/alex_avoigt/status/1388838246705152001 https://twitter.com/alex_avoigt/status/1388838246705152001
    - TheParkShark 5y ago
      So saying positive things about a good product makes him a shill? That’s a pretty low bar you set. Does this apply to all things in your life?
      - mdbug 5y ago
        Saying only positive things about a mediocre product makes him a shill.
        stcredzero 5y ago
        Whether or not Model 3 is mediocre is in the eye of the beholder. The continuous numerical and quantitative comparisons Sandy Munroe makes are not. Examples: - Numbers of fasteners in subsystems - Total length of cooling hoses - Total weight of coolant - Weight of the body in white - Efficiency vs. total energy of pack - Part counts And this is just what I can remember off the top of my head. So whether or not you think Model 3 is mediocre, there are TONS of quantitative measures by which Model 3 is a long, long way ahead of their competition. Also, note that in some places, Ford and Volkswagen are by Sandy Munroe shown to be ahead of Tesla both quantitatively and qualitatively. It looks like Sandy Munroe is doing a fair comparison based on sound engineering principles. On the other hand, I think you just don't like what he has to say with regards to Tesla.
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In recent interviews - Sandy Munro and Andrej Karpathy vouched his technical capability. But it appears you have made up your mind as it seems to be the simplest answer.

shadowfox 5y ago

Not that OP, but in keeping with his concern about incentives, it is not like Karpathy (at least) has no incentive in keeping Elon Musk's public image intact.

threeseed 5y ago

Not sure if you're an Engineer or not. But it's very common to have people involved in the engineering process e.g. Business Analysts, Project Managers, Testers who have a deep understanding of how things work. And by all accounts have excellent technical capability. That doesn't mean they have the ability to design or build the thing though.

mdbug 5y ago

Sandy Munro, by now, is a Tesla shill who can't be taken seriously. Andrej works at Tesla and understandably says nothing bad about his boss. If I thought my boss was technically clueless and needed to say something nice about him, I would probably phrase it the same way: "He's obviously a pretty incredible person in many ways. I'm still trying to really map out his superpowers. He has incredibly well developed intuition in many aspects where he makes the right judgement calls in what I perceive to be a lack of information. Because he's not in detail about all the things but his judgement is extremely good. I still haven't fully understood how that happens."

stcredzero 5y ago
Sandy Munro, by now, is a Tesla shill who can't be taken seriously. I've seen him say quite negative things about Tesla, and quite positive things about Tesla's competitors. Examples: He stated that the Ford Mach-E battery case is a structural component. He's also touted injection molding as a means of achieving some of the same things that Tesla is doing with aluminum casting. He praised some aspects of the ID4 motor housing design as superior to Tesla. Can you give me an example of something Sandy Munro has said which IS NOT something good about a Tesla product, where he has clearly sacrificed engineering concerns? As to his statements about Tesla products, everything he's said makes sense to me, and it's my sense that almost all people who call him a Tesla shill simply don't like what he has to say.
- mdbug 5y ago
  > I've seen him say quite negative things about Tesla, and quite positive things about Tesla's competitors. What I've seen from him, he always shows a clear bias towards Tesla. > Can you give me an example of something Sandy Munro has said which IS NOT something good about a Tesla product, where he has clearly sacrificed engineering concerns? When I say he's a Tesla shill, it's specifically because of the positive things he says about Tesla. For example, here [1] he claims that the FSD Beta is currently at level 4 and "full self-driving" is just around the corner. Do you agree with that? [1] https://twitter.com/alex_avoigt/status/1388838246705152001 https://twitter.com/alex_avoigt/status/1388838246705152001
  - TheParkShark 5y ago
    So saying positive things about a good product makes him a shill? That’s a pretty low bar you set. Does this apply to all things in your life?
    - mdbug 5y ago
      Saying only positive things about a mediocre product makes him a shill.
      - stcredzero 5y ago
        Whether or not Model 3 is mediocre is in the eye of the beholder. The continuous numerical and quantitative comparisons Sandy Munroe makes are not. Examples: - Numbers of fasteners in subsystems - Total length of cooling hoses - Total weight of coolant - Weight of the body in white - Efficiency vs. total energy of pack - Part counts And this is just what I can remember off the top of my head. So whether or not you think Model 3 is mediocre, there are TONS of quantitative measures by which Model 3 is a long, long way ahead of their competition. Also, note that in some places, Ford and Volkswagen are by Sandy Munroe shown to be ahead of Tesla both quantitatively and qualitatively. It looks like Sandy Munroe is doing a fair comparison based on sound engineering principles. On the other hand, I think you just don't like what he has to say with regards to Tesla.

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