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The waterfall of misinformation: 1) Author fabricates "facts" for his book 2) Tabloids copy those "facts" and add filler to fabricate outrage 3) Twitter outr

The waterfall of misinformation: 1) Author fabricates "facts" for his book 2) Tabloids copy those "facts" and add filler to fabricate outrage 3) Twitter outrage specialists pick these "facts" up and retweet 4) Other people form their opinion based on 1), 2), 3)

WA 5y ago
You don’t need to read fabricated facts if you simply can follow Elon on Twitter. If you put down the rose-tinted glasses, you see that he puts out a lot of dumb stuff and many lies.
- deleted 5y ago
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- postmeta 5y ago
  if you think missing self-imposed deadlines is "many lies"
- practice9 5y ago
  I read his tweets. He posts memes and technical stuff (Tesla, SpaceX news). Most of his tweets about crypto are uninformed. You've got to cherry-pick to find actual lies
- bostonsre 5y ago
  Yes, but he is also building a massive friggin reusable rocket and has built rocket boosters that land. He is emotional because he cares about changing the world for the better. He is a weird dude that has a weird sense of humor. Jumping down his throat for bad jokes seems like it actively hinders human kind's progress.
  - ngokevin 5y ago
    It's sensible to both not put anyone on a pedestal nor completely villify someone. He's polarizing, for sure. For me, he puts rockets in space, but also spreads a lot of misinformation or lies for self gain. I also don't think just because he's influential that his missteps should be labeled as eccentric versus selfish
  - int_19h 5y ago
    He isn't building anything, the actual engineers (whom he likely also routinely abuses) do.
    - vardump 5y ago
      Any source for that? He sure seems to know very fine detail of almost anything related to the product. See for example: Everyday Astronaut recent Musk interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw Munro interview with Musk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAtLTLiqNwg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAtLTLiqNwg There are also other examples where Musk talks about things it's hard to imagine of him even being aware of if he's not building anything.
      - int_19h 5y ago
        You're right, I should be fair: Musk the engineer is building something, but alongside many other people, and his contribution there is not dominant. Musk the entrepreneur isn't building anything, though, and that's what the man mostly is.
  - me_me_me 5y ago
    > He is emotional because he cares about changing the world for the better Unless you know him personally, this statement reads like a naive teen idolising a politician that will 'fix' all issues. You dont know what he is like, what he wants out of the life. All you know is a public person he and his PR team puts out. Whats your opinion on dalai lama? Read up on how he is behind the closed door. Kind, humble, head bowing monk or a leader of exiled country and religion under attack by china? > Jumping down his throat for bad jokes seems like it actively hinders human kind's progress. Judging Musk by his actions not promises nor PR speeches, he is at least an asshole. Whatever he is IRL one thing is sure, he is not a saviour nor a tech jesus just a businessman.
    - bostonsre 5y ago
      > Unless you know him personally, this statement reads like a naive teen idolising a politician that will 'fix' all issues. You dont know what he is like, what he wants out of the life. All you know is a public person he and his PR team puts out He has no pr team. He has done tons of one on one interviews where he puts forth his viewpoint in long form podcasts. Sure he says some ambitious stuff but it is backed up by his actions. > Whats your opinion on dalai lama? Read up on how he is behind the closed door. Kind, humble, head bowing monk or a leader of exiled country and religion under attack by china? Seems slightly off topic. I haven't formed a coherent opinion. > Judging Musk by his actions not promises nor PR speeches, he is at least an asshole. Whatever he is IRL one thing is sure, he is not a saviour nor a tech jesus just a businessman I don't dispute that he can be an asshole. If he is able to complete the current projects he had in flight he will have had the largest positive impact on climate change than any other person on earth. He is not some business man adding no value. Take a look at the new booster that was rolled out yesterday, humans are going to the friggin moon again and then Mars. Tesla has single handedly made electric cars cool and started the process of getting out of combustion engines. He launched a $100m x prize for carbon capture. He is actually getting shit done and is not some politician. Yes, he is a businessman. To achieve his goals he needs to do that or become a super villain and take over the resources of a good chunk of the world.
    - TheParkShark 5y ago
      I doubt many people here know the leaders of the CCP, the president of former president of America, or many other people but go on making judgements about them all through this site. So it’s only when someone disagrees with your opinion you want to police their opinion?
ngokevin 5y ago
An alternative, more direct route for spreading misinformation: 1) Be infamous 2) Have a Twitter account 3) Lie
belltaco 5y ago
>Other people form their opinion based on 1), 2), 3) Not just opinion but mental disease diagnoses.
stcredzero 5y ago
4) Other people form their opinion based on 1), 2), 3) Predictable. I've known for the better part of a year, that certain groupthink crowds would start to go after Elon Musk. The groupthink crowds eventually go after anyone who thinks for themselves and refuses to bend the knee. Instead of facts, they use circular references and guilt by association. Also: The phenomenon I just described is independent of point on the political spectrum.
weeblewobble 5y ago
what role do you play in this?

WA 5y ago

You don’t need to read fabricated facts if you simply can follow Elon on Twitter. If you put down the rose-tinted glasses, you see that he puts out a lot of dumb stuff and many lies.

deleted 5y ago
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postmeta 5y ago
if you think missing self-imposed deadlines is "many lies"
practice9 5y ago
I read his tweets. He posts memes and technical stuff (Tesla, SpaceX news). Most of his tweets about crypto are uninformed. You've got to cherry-pick to find actual lies
bostonsre 5y ago
Yes, but he is also building a massive friggin reusable rocket and has built rocket boosters that land. He is emotional because he cares about changing the world for the better. He is a weird dude that has a weird sense of humor. Jumping down his throat for bad jokes seems like it actively hinders human kind's progress.
- ngokevin 5y ago
  It's sensible to both not put anyone on a pedestal nor completely villify someone. He's polarizing, for sure. For me, he puts rockets in space, but also spreads a lot of misinformation or lies for self gain. I also don't think just because he's influential that his missteps should be labeled as eccentric versus selfish
- int_19h 5y ago
  He isn't building anything, the actual engineers (whom he likely also routinely abuses) do.
  - vardump 5y ago
    Any source for that? He sure seems to know very fine detail of almost anything related to the product. See for example: Everyday Astronaut recent Musk interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw Munro interview with Musk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAtLTLiqNwg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAtLTLiqNwg There are also other examples where Musk talks about things it's hard to imagine of him even being aware of if he's not building anything.
    - int_19h 5y ago
      You're right, I should be fair: Musk the engineer is building something, but alongside many other people, and his contribution there is not dominant. Musk the entrepreneur isn't building anything, though, and that's what the man mostly is.
- me_me_me 5y ago
  > He is emotional because he cares about changing the world for the better Unless you know him personally, this statement reads like a naive teen idolising a politician that will 'fix' all issues. You dont know what he is like, what he wants out of the life. All you know is a public person he and his PR team puts out. Whats your opinion on dalai lama? Read up on how he is behind the closed door. Kind, humble, head bowing monk or a leader of exiled country and religion under attack by china? > Jumping down his throat for bad jokes seems like it actively hinders human kind's progress. Judging Musk by his actions not promises nor PR speeches, he is at least an asshole. Whatever he is IRL one thing is sure, he is not a saviour nor a tech jesus just a businessman.
  - bostonsre 5y ago
    > Unless you know him personally, this statement reads like a naive teen idolising a politician that will 'fix' all issues. You dont know what he is like, what he wants out of the life. All you know is a public person he and his PR team puts out He has no pr team. He has done tons of one on one interviews where he puts forth his viewpoint in long form podcasts. Sure he says some ambitious stuff but it is backed up by his actions. > Whats your opinion on dalai lama? Read up on how he is behind the closed door. Kind, humble, head bowing monk or a leader of exiled country and religion under attack by china? Seems slightly off topic. I haven't formed a coherent opinion. > Judging Musk by his actions not promises nor PR speeches, he is at least an asshole. Whatever he is IRL one thing is sure, he is not a saviour nor a tech jesus just a businessman I don't dispute that he can be an asshole. If he is able to complete the current projects he had in flight he will have had the largest positive impact on climate change than any other person on earth. He is not some business man adding no value. Take a look at the new booster that was rolled out yesterday, humans are going to the friggin moon again and then Mars. Tesla has single handedly made electric cars cool and started the process of getting out of combustion engines. He launched a $100m x prize for carbon capture. He is actually getting shit done and is not some politician. Yes, he is a businessman. To achieve his goals he needs to do that or become a super villain and take over the resources of a good chunk of the world.
  - TheParkShark 5y ago
    I doubt many people here know the leaders of the CCP, the president of former president of America, or many other people but go on making judgements about them all through this site. So it’s only when someone disagrees with your opinion you want to police their opinion?

ngokevin 5y ago

An alternative, more direct route for spreading misinformation: 1) Be infamous 2) Have a Twitter account 3) Lie

belltaco 5y ago

>Other people form their opinion based on 1), 2), 3) Not just opinion but mental disease diagnoses.

stcredzero 5y ago

4) Other people form their opinion based on 1), 2), 3) Predictable. I've known for the better part of a year, that certain groupthink crowds would start to go after Elon Musk. The groupthink crowds eventually go after anyone who thinks for themselves and refuses to bend the knee. Instead of facts, they use circular references and guilt by association. Also: The phenomenon I just described is independent of point on the political spectrum.

weeblewobble 5y ago

what role do you play in this?