I can appreciate that sentiment, even if I don't share it. And honestly, I don't really need web hosting from my ISP, although I can see how some people would f

I can appreciate that sentiment, even if I don't share it. And honestly, I don't really need web hosting from my ISP, although I can see how some people would find it handy for small scale personal sites. And I don't use my ISP's email service anyway, if they even still offer it (I've actually never used it, in 15+ years of being with these guys). But I still kinda wish NNTP was provided "out of the box" by them so I don't have to futz around looking for an NNTP provider, signing up, managing yet another service, etc.